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[0:11] Justin Guarini: Welcome to another episode of Audition Secrets. I'm your host, Justin Guarini. Thank you so very much for being here. If you don't know, Audition Secrets is the behind-the-scenes podcast for nailing more auditions and booking more jobs. And we also have amazing conversations with some outstanding people in and around our business. Today is an extremely special episode. I'm having my first licensed therapist, licensed or otherwise, therapist on the show. Her name is Rachel Wright, and she is the co-founder of the Wright Wellness Center. That's W-R-I-G-H-T, wellnesscenter.com, where you can find out more about her. Really quickly, before I get to the interview, if you have not gone to auditionsecrets.com and downloaded my free book by the name of Audition Secrets, Volume 1, then what are you waiting for?

It's absolutely free. Go to auditionsecrets.com and get the behind-the-scenes guidebook for nailing more auditions and booking more jobs. It has got some awesome stuff, practical things that you literally can take and read one time and then implement that very same day in your auditions to see huge results. Okay, that's enough of me plugging things. I want to get to the interview because it's so much fun. Rachel Wright is a musical theater nerd, gluten-free connoisseur, oh, and also she happens to be a marriage counselor and a licensed psychotherapist, and she believes that knowing how to communicate, especially about topics as touchy as relationships and sex, is one thing. Actually doing it well is another thing.

She's had a bunch of training in psychology, mental health, and counseling, but she likes to go through the trenches with you in real life, and her mission is to help people have better sex, better relationships, and better mental health. The work that she and her husband Kyle do makes communication stronger, turns the bedroom into a place of confidence, and gives you the tools you need to feel secure in your own skin. Now, when I read that about Rachel, I was like, hmm, wait a minute though. A performance is performance. Sexual is performance, certainly, but what do we do in the room? What do we do on stage? That's a whole other kind of performance, so why not dig into that and talk about a bunch of things that surround the kind of performance that we have to do and see what Rachel has to say about it, and I promise you, the conversation does not disappoint. Here's my interview with Rachel Wright.

[2:35] Justin Guarini: Rachel, welcome to the show. You're a very special guest. Usually, I have performers or writers or directors on, but you are my very first therapist. Welcome.

[2:46] Rachel Wright: Yay, this is so exciting. I love it. It's truly an honor.

[2:50] Justin Guarini: Oh, thank you very much. Well, I really appreciate you taking the time, and I'm really excited to talk to you about all the things that we have planned to talk about, but let's get to who you are first. You're the co-founder of the Wright Wellness Center, and you can find out all about the Wright Wellness Center at wrightwellnesscenter.com. The link is going to be in the show notes, but before I say anything else, you're not just any therapist. You're a therapist with a theater background, so you're also one of us.

[3:17] Rachel Wright: Yes, I am. It's so true.

[3:21] Justin Guarini: And I think that that's why this is so wonderful, and I'm so excited to connect because so many people don't realize the overlap between our mental health and theater, and it's a real thing.

[3:33] Rachel Wright: It is truly a real thing. Most people in life don't take enough time to focus on their mental health, and then when you think about all the stresses and strains and everything else that we have to do in theater, oh, I'm glad people like you exist. That's all I got to say.

[3:49] Rachel Wright: Well, thanks. Yeah, I've definitely been on both sides of it, and I have my own story around choosing the psychology route, but it was one of those like, I can do the therapy thing. I need the degree to do the therapy thing, but I don't need a degree to do the theater thing. I can take classes outside of it, and yeah, I just love both. So it's really cool to be able to chat with you about both things, and it's where my heart overlaps. I love it. All right, well, let's get into it. I invited you on because the entertainment business is basically shit. I mean, I love it.

[4:24] Rachel Wright: Indeed. And that's a nice way of putting it.

[4:30] Justin Guarini: I do. I love it, and I've thrived in it, and I've been on the roller coaster, but you and I and everyone else who has ever set foot in this business knows that it can be a complete and total mind job. So when we were communicating via email, you mentioned that the three biggest issues you see your clients having are, one, anxiety and depression, two, communication issues with partners, friends, and family, and three, intimacy issues, meaning low libido, mismatched libido, unable to talk about sexuality, etc. So let's get down and dirty, Rachel, because we have so much great information to cover, and I really want to focus in on that first part of the first thing that we were talking about, which is anxiety. Now, a lot of people mistake certain things that they are feeling or misinterpret, I should say, certain things they're feeling as anxiety. So what is your clinical definition of anxiety and its symptoms?

[5:21] Rachel Wright: Yeah, oh, it's such a good question. Well, first of all, I think it's so important to acknowledge that just like everything in life, anxiety is on a spectrum. So there are, you know, if you're not feeling any anxiety, you're probably dead. Let's just toss that out. Like you are six feet under, burn to a crit, like however you want to go, you're gone. So in the spectrum of being alive, there's feeling of, you know, little anxiety, and then all the way on the other side to like a diagnosable anxiety disorder, where perhaps like panic attacks are happening all the time, or you have to actually check yourself in. So when we're talking about anxiety, there's such a giant spectrum of it. But a lot of times we confuse anxiety with stress.

And it's really important to distinguish what they are and also between anxiety and fear. So fear is, I like to use this very simple example of if you go on a hike, and there is a bear on the trail, you need to run the fuck away from the bear.

[6:27] Rachel Wright: Yes, yeah, nine times out of 10. Yeah, yeah. And that is fear. You're like, oh, scary thing in front of my face. I got to get the F out of here. That's fear. So like stage fright, right, or being nervous before an audition, that's usually fear, because it's something that's actually happening in the moment. Anxiety is when we don't go on the hike, because we're afraid that there could be a bear. So it's not going to the audition, because we're afraid of it going wrong. And in turn, we're actually making our worst nightmare come true, because nothing is going to happen. We stay stuck. So anxiety is characterized by a lot of things, but it's excessive worrying. It's feeling like if you've ever had too much caffeine, that feeling of your blood like racing through your veins, you can feel that. You almost feel agitated, like you're racing thoughts, almost like you can't put words to it. You just feel like your brain is on crack.

[7:27] Rachel Wright: Yeah, it's that fight or flight syndrome when there's symptoms, rather, when there's nothing to fight or fly from.

[7:32] Justin Guarini: Bingo, bingo. So you're responding to the bear on the trail, but like you're sitting on your couch. Creative people are generally prone to anxiety, more so than non-creative people. Because when you think about the level of brain activity that comes with creativity, that in itself and the feeling of excitement, it's very similar feeling to anxiety in the body, right? So we're kind of like already, if you're drawn to theater, probably if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably more prone to anxiety than Joe Schmo, who's not. I mean, you open up your phone and click any social app, and it's like a recipe for anxiety.

[8:12] Rachel Wright: Of course. Right? Like you look at, you have the FOMO, and I really don't like that term because, but it's real. It's so real, especially for younger people. And one of the biggest problems is we're not talking about it. It presents itself so differently in different people. When I was battling anxiety, I was like a hot, uncontrollable mess, sweating. I would throw up. Like, what is wrong with this human over here? Like she's falling apart. Actually, the amazing human who was starring in The Prom recently, Caitlin Kinnunen, she talks a lot about her struggles with anxiety and went online and talked about how she had a panic attack on stage, and she needed to leave it in her mission. And I'm like, at home, like, yes, girl, please tell everyone. Because the more that we can talk about this stuff, especially in the theater community, the more normalized getting support can be.

[9:12] Justin Guarini: Yeah. It's so interesting. I come from a generation of performers who still subscribe to the mystique and not talking about yourself and keeping that distance. And that was who I grew up around with. I grew up around a lot of entertainers when I was younger. And yet now, the opposite is true. Now, the people who really truly have the power are the people who are vulnerable. But what's really interesting is that as much as we talk about all of our shit, we still do not talk enough about mental health and the mental health problems that we have. And the fact that Caitlin would do that, she and I did the same show at 54 Below a couple of weeks ago. And she, again, got up on the stage. She was like, yeah, you know, I think one of the keys to my success is just that, talking about all the real stuff that's going on and the fact that I have panic attacks.

And I think you also talked about something, mentioned something that I really want to touch on before we move on, is the fact that in comparison to Joe or Jane Schmoe, who has a job outside of theatre, we have to access deep parts of our emotional life. We have to access those memories, those pain points in our bodies, in our minds, in order to really truly fulfill our task as performers, as interpreters of art and great literature. People who are sitting outside of the audition room, people are sitting at home, people who deal with us on a daily basis. I really want to ask you, how can we cope? I want to pick your brain about coping strategies, because when we're in that full-on flight or fight mode, there are some powerful and simple techniques we can use to get ourselves out of it, right?

[11:03] Rachel Wright: Absolutely. And the biggest thing, so the two biggest things that we can do is A, be preventative. These are the umbrellas. We can totally get into specifics. But be preventative. Don't wait until you're having a panic attack or you need to leave the show in the middle or you're not going to the audition. Do things while you feel good. While you're feeling good, take care of yourself. It's like taking care of your immune system so that you don't get sick, instead of waiting until you have a cold to take care of yourself. Same thing with mental health. But for whatever reason, we don't talk about that in our society. And the other piece of it is, in that same vein, is go find a therapist so that when things do come up, you have that trusted relationship.

You have somebody that you can go to and you're not coming in like, oh my God, shit's falling apart. Nice to meet you. And you feel at your most vulnerable, right? You have that person to go to. So things like doing meditation. And I know that this sounds so fucking cliche. But it's so true. And different things work for different people. So if you're sitting here like, oh God, this lady meditation doesn't work for me. That's totally okay. First of all, there's like a million different types of meditation.

[12:21] Rachel Wright: Right. I run. I meditate, but I also running and exercise for me. It's like, literally sometimes I'm like, am I running away from my problems and some sort of like thing? But like, you know what I mean? Because sometimes I'm like, I got to go for a run. I got to get it out. But yes, meditation. That's beautiful. And running exercise is amazing. And a lot of people think that it's just because of the endorphins that are released. But it's not just that. When we're really stressed out or incredibly anxious, a lot of cortisol gets released and cortisol is the stress hormone in our brain. And it comes around like Ms. Pac-Man and it eats up all of our serotonin. And serotonin is what

[12:58] Rachel Wright: And calm and kind of regulates our happy to sad monitor for simplicity's sake. And so it eats up all of that.

[13:07] Justin Guarini: Tell me something really quick. I want to interject here. So is there something really quick, I'm sure there's something with meditation and running, but is there something that a supplement that people can take or some sort of something that will help to increase the serotonin in the body?

[13:25] Rachel Wright: Absolutely. So this is where the disclaimer comes in. Like asterisk, call your doctor. Please, please do not come looking for Rachel or I if something goes wrong. Yes, it's like if you are listening beyond this point, you have been warned. Yeah, that was our disclaimer. There was an incredible supplement. It's called 5-HTP. And it's actually synthetic serotonin. And it can really, really help. Additionally, if you feel that there may be a chemical imbalance, like you were saying about before with medication, there is nothing wrong with being on medication. If you have diabetes, you need insulin. You're not going to be like, oh, I'm weak because I'm taking my insulin. Like, that's a great way of putting it.

[14:09] Justin Guarini: Yeah, sure. Right. So it's taking the things and doing the things that make your body and brain feel really good. And there's no shame around whether that is a run, meditating, taking an Epsom salt bath, you know, joining an intramural sports team or going out and singing at Marie's Crisis in the Village. Like whatever it is that brings you that joy and that peace and calm, do that and try to not judge yourself for what that activity is. I have found that so many of the best actors, the people that I have connected with the most, when I end up, you know, learning more about them, they're people who have gone to therapy and who actually have had mental health, quote unquote, struggles. And it's because they've learned how to connect with their emotion and then emote that to other people. If you don't know how to connect with that, how are you going to do that on the stage or behind a camera?

[15:09] Rachel Wright: Absolutely. And there's a power in that, you know, a lot of people want to not touch those memories that really hurt us. A lot of people want to stay as far away from the pain and the suffering that bringing up our struggles can cause. But when you can own those stories, when you can delve into them and say, OK, I was responsible for this, but I wasn't responsible for that and or I wasn't responsible for any of it. But I am responsible for my reaction and my response to it today, here in this moment. There's such a power. And instead of those stories having power over you, you can use them and really generate those performances that are memorable, those performances that are authentic and those performances that are just unique to who we are and the experiences we've had in our lives.

[16:05] Justin Guarini: Bingo. So let's move to the flip side of that same coin and talk about depression. There are a lot of different interpretations of depression. But what is your professional definition of depression?

[16:19] Rachel Wright: So, again, it's like this in-between of you can feel depressed without being diagnosed with depression. But all in all, depression is when essentially nothing sounds good to you anymore. Like the things that you typically would love that you don't want to go do them. You don't want to take care of anything. You kind of just want to either sleep all day or be awake and kind of numb out. You know, one of the things that our culture has done is we've kind of used these terms anxiety and depression to describe things that aren't those things. So, you know, you'll be walking down the street and somebody will be like, oh, my God, I'm so depressed. I had five chicken nuggets today. Right. And I'm like, no, that's not depression at all.

And that has kind of contributed to misunderstandings of these things. Right. And so it's important to differentiate between sadness and depression because you can feel sad for an extended period of time. But feeling sad is different than feeling depressed.

[17:32] Justin Guarini: I want to explore with you the best ways to talk about your challenges so that the conversation doesn't become this sort of multiplication of malignant thoughts that eat away at us and exhaust the people we're talking to.

[17:43] Rachel Wright: Totally. So just like you got to be careful who you share your dreams with and your aspirations in life.

[17:49] Justin Guarini: Oh, yes.

[17:50] Rachel Wright: Right. You also got to be mindful about who you share your emotional state with, because whether we want to admit it or not, as humans, we bring our own bias and biases into every conversation we have. Now, part of training to become a therapist is how to have a conversation where you don't do that. And it's a lot of training and I'm sure it's hard to do because we all have our own shit. It's like, oh, well, my ex did this. So now I'm hearing a story that's similar. So I'm going to give her advice based on what my ex did. Right. So when you want to go to somebody to talk about this, find someone who is either incredibly good at listening, like that one friend where you're like, wow, they can just really hold space and I can just talk and they don't try to fix anything and they're just going to listen. Or find somebody, even on Instagram, on social media, that's a therapist.

[18:56] Justin Guarini: Yeah. Oh, yes.

[18:57] Rachel Wright: That's a therapist. I thought you were saying find somebody. I was like. No, no, no, no.

[18:59] Justin Guarini: Yeah. Random stranger and just DM them your whole life story. It's great. Don't do that.

[19:03] Rachel Wright: Yeah, don't. Please don't do that. You know, find somebody in the profession and ask them, say, hey, this is what I'm feeling. What do you like? Are there any resources? Right. Because everybody that I know underneath any mental health umbrella, all they want to do is help. Like we were talking about screaming onto a freeway. Right. So there are so many tools and resources that so many of us have, but they're not being accessed because nobody's asking. So find somebody who cares about you, who loves you unconditionally, who you feel comfortable going to and saying, I'm not OK. Right. Because sometimes we're not OK.

[19:44] Justin Guarini: Yeah. And it's OK to not be OK.

[19:44] Rachel Wright: Yeah. And even if you don't, you know, we were talking about communication and how even though we are so interconnected with all these devices and social media and whatnot, we're also increasingly more isolated. If you don't have someone that you feel that loves you unconditionally and will willingly listen to what you have to say on the devices, not only with social media, like you said, someone who's in the field, but there are now services where you can just call somebody.

[20:15] Justin Guarini: Yep. And text somebody.

[20:17] Rachel Wright: You don't even have to talk on the phone. There's text therapy, right?

[20:20] Justin Guarini: Yes, there is. So there's a couple of spaces. There's talk space and then the other one I'm blanking on the name of right now.

[20:27] Rachel Wright: Better help. That's what it is.

[20:28] Justin Guarini: Better help. And those are great. I don't love them for like a long term treatment because I think that the, you know, studies show I'm going to get really nerdy on you for a minute.

[20:38] Rachel Wright: Oh, she pulled out the study show, not the study like real nerdy.

[20:42] Justin Guarini: So 50 percent of our success in therapy is based on the relationship between client and therapist. Makes sense, right? That's it's a lot. So like you could have like a not great clinician. And if you have a great rapport with them in relationship, you're more likely to have success than a really, really, really good therapist who you just don't vibe with.

[21:03] Rachel Wright: Yeah. And it's hard to make that connection just over text for an extended period of time. So I love those services for like brief things. You know, let's say like you really wanted to book something and you are on the hook for like, you know, six months. Like we've all been there and they're like kind of dragging you along and you don't end up getting it. And afterwards it's like I just I'm done. Like I can't I can't imagine going back out there. I'm feeling and you start isolating and you don't have anybody in your life. That would be a really great time to use one of those things.

[21:39] Rachel Wright: One of the things that you and your husband, Kyle, talk about is how pop culture has fed us the false belief that self-love comes second and that relationships require compromise before they even start. So what are the examples of that message that you see in today's pop culture?

[21:57] Rachel Wright: Oh, man, everything. I mean, you can look at Friends, you can look at How I Met Your Mother, these shows that have really pierced culture. Like most people know Friends references. I love that show. Monica and Chandler's relationship is super abusive. Like you rewatch that back and you're like, oh, no. Yes. Like, yes, there's manipulation going on. There's a lot of yeah, it's kind of fucked up.

[22:28] Justin Guarini: It's totally fucked up.

[22:30] Rachel Wright: And like it's funny from a comedy perspective, because so much of comedy is fucked up. Right. But if you're viewing that as a younger person with like, oh, I want to find my Chandler, I want to find my Monica. And Chandler is not the ideal catch. No. Chandler is really in need of therapy. You know who's in most need of therapy is Ross.

[22:51] Justin Guarini: Ross, of course.

[22:53] Rachel Wright: Yes. But at least they give you the backstory as to why this guy was so messed up. Like at least you get it. But like, oh, man, the choices that they make. And how they're all in each other's business. Yep. All the time. And they like mess with each other. It is so unhealthy. And yet I know when I was growing up, it was like, I want to have a group just like on Friends. Oh, I'm the Rachel because I'm Rachel, obviously. You know, and yes, there's the quizzes you can take. Yes. And it's unbelievable. And all of this becomes so subconscious that we're not thinking about it as we're walking around. It just becomes part of our narrative.

[23:32] Justin Guarini: Yeah. And so unfortunately, the media and especially with, you know, reality TV the way that it is now, it doesn't give us the best example of what healthy communication is. And that's actually why we started our podcast was, you know, The Bachelor is such a popular reality TV franchise. And the whole point of it is finding love. And yet. They don't do a very good job. You know, no, I don't. I think that the point that they try and tell you is that it's about finding love. But really, the point of it is just like, let's put a whole bunch of snakes in one room and put a mouse or two in there and see what happens.

[24:16] Rachel Wright: One hundred percent.

[24:17] Justin Guarini: And that's right. Yeah. But if we can use those people and those interactions as examples to learn healthy communication, I'm like all about it.

[24:27] Rachel Wright: Yeah. All about it.

[24:28] Justin Guarini: You can learn at least what not to do.

[24:31] Rachel Wright: Exactly. And every once in a while, it's like they communicated so well. And it's like, you know, standing ovation. Holy shit. It comes back to the whole preventative thing. It's like so my whole analogy is like driving a car. If we were put behind the wheel of a car and somebody said, OK, Justin, I know that you don't know what any of these levers and buttons on the floor do, but like you're going to take it onto the freeway and you'll you'll get to New York fine. It'll be fine. Like you can just go and, you know, you're supposed to know how to do this. So have fun. That's what we're doing in our relationships. We're not being taught how to communicate. We're not being taught what a healthy relationship looks like. And then when the car crashes, everybody's like, oh, no, it didn't work out.

[25:16] Justin Guarini: Yeah. And then meanwhile, you're on your like fourth or fifth car.

[25:20] Rachel Wright: Yes, exactly. And everybody's like, oh, maybe there's something wrong with you.

[25:25] Justin Guarini: Yeah. And you're like, yeah, actually, because I never learned how to fucking do this.

[25:29] Rachel Wright: Yeah. Or something's wrong with the car.

[25:31] Justin Guarini: Yes. That's not me.

[25:32] Rachel Wright: It's got to be the car. It's got to be the other person. Right. All that shit. Well, something that I had to learn and learn hard way was that speaking of cars, that collision and that's what I like to call arguments, that collision is sometimes necessary for the lines of communication to become actually fully open in a relationship. Now, I hate conflict and I used to avoid it like the plague.

[25:52] Justin Guarini: How did that go?

[25:55] Justin Guarini: Amazing. Okay, so we've acknowledged, we've explained, and then the offer is what you actually see as a potential solution. You're not necessarily saying this is how it's going to be. I'm laying down the law. But you're saying here, you know, what I would love to do is or what I see as a potential solution is this. So like the audition one, right? Like, acknowledge, hey, I know that this is a super big faux pas. I inhaled and choked on my spit. What I would really love to do is start the song over. Would that be okay with you? Oh, and they would, I mean, 9.9 times out of 10, unless there's real ball blusters. I mean, I can't imagine that they would say, and I've been in situations where things have gone awry in the first few measures of a song.

And when you do that, they will always, always let you start over again. Because I'd like to tell people all the time, it's one of the chapters in my book. The casting team is on your side. They want you to come in and do really well because then they can go home.

[28:53] Justin Guarini: Exactly. And they can be like, we found them. We're done. We're out. We're done, right? So if you need to start your song over again. Okay. So here we go. Are you ready, Rachel?

[29:02] Rachel Wright: I'm so ready.

[29:03] Justin Guarini: Check it out. Come on. Let's talk about sex, baby.

[29:07] Rachel Wright: Yes, let's talk about sex because you're a licensed sex therapist.

[29:11] Justin Guarini: It's true. You know, I like to tell my students, it's like, you know, you can, most people will try and play a character or be like the character and try and, you know, it's like walking into the room with a skin suit on that's someone else's skin, right? And as gross as that sounds, but it's like, it just doesn't quite fit. What was that? Men in Black. Do you remember Men in Black?

[29:26] Rachel Wright: Oh yeah, of course.

[29:27] Justin Guarini: Vincent D'Onofrio's character is like the big cockroach who's stuck inside the whatever that guy, well, it was Vincent D'Onofrio, it was like whatever. So like, it's like, it just doesn't look right. It doesn't feel right. But if you, in essence, get in touch with your own experiences and relate those experiences to the character's experiences, to the character's thought patterns, to what the character has been through, and again, it's like getting in touch with yourself more. And you're not necessarily playing a character, but allowing the character to play through your experience, through your body and aligning your vibration in a way where you don't have to act, quote unquote. You can just play and you can allow yourself to experience the deepest, darkest secrets within yourself using the words and thoughts and feelings and emotions and actions of a character that someone else has written.

[30:32] Rachel Wright: 100%.

[30:33] Justin Guarini: And that is, it's inside out instead of outside in.

[30:37] Rachel Wright: Yes, absolutely.

[30:38] Justin Guarini: And that is so powerful. And there's so much psychology around how that is such a healthy way to live our lives too, which is why I think that acting classes are so incredibly important for every person to go through, to just experience what that's like.

[30:53] Rachel Wright: Even improv classes.

[30:54] Justin Guarini: Oh, I think that needs to be required. It's like sex ed, improv, acting 101. Let's just create our own school and curriculum.

[31:05] Rachel Wright: That's it.

[31:06] Justin Guarini: That's all we're going to do.

[31:07] Rachel Wright: That's it.

[31:08] Justin Guarini: Yes, yes. It's just going to be a bunch of people.

[31:10] Rachel Wright: The right school for wellness.

[31:12] Justin Guarini: Touching each other and playing improv games.

[31:15] Rachel Wright: This sounds amazing.

[31:17] Justin Guarini: It sounds great. Sign me up.

[31:18] Rachel Wright: Yeah, I'm in. I'm going to matriculate in the fall.

[31:23] Justin Guarini: That's great. Well, you know what? This has been an awesome conversation. Thank you so very much. I have not had a conversation like this on my podcast. It's just so, so much fun. Thank you for your insight. Thank you for your candor and for really sharing your wisdom with my listeners. I really appreciate it.

[31:46] Rachel Wright: Ah, yes, that is the lovely Rachel Wright, folks. Isn't she awesome?

[31:49] Justin Guarini: Man, I love this podcast. I love having conversations with these amazing people. And I love that you stuck with me all the way to the end. Thank you so very much for listening to this. I get so many wonderful DMs on my Instagram and Facebook messages and where people follow me, just telling me how much they enjoy not only this podcast, but the stuff that I put on my socials, how much they love Audition Secrets Volume 1, the book. And it really, truly is an honor to serve you. Again, if you would like to find out more about the things that I do and how you can get a bunch of stuff for free that will help reshape the way you audition, will help you nail more auditions and help you book more jobs, all you need to do is go to auditionsecrets.com. That's all I got for you today. This has been Audition Secrets. I am Justin Guarini. And remember, at the end of the day, you're only one audition away.