How do you know whether an acting class, workshop or teacher is actually right for you? In Episode #443 of Casting Actors Cast, casting director, teacher, author and former actor Jeffrey Dreisbach looks beyond recommendations and famous techniques to explore what good actor training should actually accomplish... Read More
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How do you know whether an acting class, workshop or teacher is actually right for you?
In Episode #443 of Casting Actors Cast, casting director, teacher, author and former actor Jeffrey Dreisbach looks beyond recommendations and famous techniques to explore what good actor training should actually accomplish.
Jeff discusses how actors can identify what they genuinely need before choosing a class, the “intermediate plateau” that can keep actors training without progressing, evaluating teachers and techniques, budgeting for professional development, knowing when you've outgrown a class, and the difference between feeling challenged and actually learning.
The episode also explores something increasingly important in a screen-centered and AI-driven world: the psychological and artistic value of actors working together in a room.
The goal isn't simply to keep training.
It's to keep growing.
Visit CastingActorsCast.com for more episodes, free actor resources, Booked It! The Actors Playbook for Getting Cast, and the Next-Level Auditions course.
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Here's a question actors ask me all the
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Do you know a good acting teacher?
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And I understand the question,
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but there's a problem with it?
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Good for what?
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Good for whom?
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Because the best acting teacher in New
York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Atlanta, or
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wherever you happen to be,
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might be completely wrong for you.
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Not because they're a bad teacher,
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because they're teaching something you
don't need, or teaching it in a way
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that doesn't communicate to you.
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Actors spend thousands of dollars on
training, classes, workshops, intensive
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private coaching, scene study, on
camera, voice movement, improv.
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And sometimes they've finished all that
training
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and still can't answer a very simple
question,
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what exactly am I trying to get better
at?
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Because that's where we should start.
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Not with a teacher,
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not with the class, not with the
recommendation
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with you.
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Because good training isn't necessarily
about finding the best class.
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It's about finding the training you
actually need.
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So today, I don't want to give you a
list of acting teachers, and I'm
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certainly not going to tell you there's
one acting technique that everybody
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should study.
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There isn't.
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What I want to give you instead is a
way to think about training,
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how to choose it, how to evaluate it,
when to stay
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and perhaps when to move on.
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And most importantly,
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how to know what you need before you
start spending money trying to find it.
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Welcome to casting actress.
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Cass.
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I'm Jeff dries back.
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Casting director, teacher, author,
former actor and somebody who has spent
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a very large portion of its
professional life on both sides of the classroom.
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If you're new here, gosh, welcome.
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And if you've been listening for a
while, I'm so glad that you're back.
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You can find everything we're doing at
casting actress cast all one word dot com
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you'll find the podcast, information
about my book, booked it, the actor's
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play book for getting cast, and my
online course.
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Next level auditions prepare smart,
smarter perform, better, book more.
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And while you're there, fill out the
form and jump into the talent pool.
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That gives you access to some free
materials I've created for actors,
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including the voice over book and a
video
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about casting directors
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casting what they don't tell you.
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Ok,
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now let's get into this.
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Because training matters,
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but only if the training is actually
helping you grow.
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The first thing to do is to start with
the need and here's where.
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I think actors sometimes get this
backward.
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They start by looking for a class.
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If you want to start by looking for a
problem.
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That sounds rather unpleasant, doesn't
it?
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Congratulations.
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We've identified your problem.
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But that's really what training is
supposed to do.
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That's really what training is supposed
to address.
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Ask yourself,
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what am I trying to improve?
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So, for example, maybe you freeze
during auditions.
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Maybe you're on camera.
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Work feels too theatrical.
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Maybe you struggle with comedy.
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Maybe you're uncomfortable improvising.
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Maybe you can't seem to make strong
choices.
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Maybe you have trouble accessing
emotional material.
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Maybe your voice isn't supporting you.
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Maybe you're terrific when you've had
three weeks to rehearse, but fall apart
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when somebody hands you four pages and
says, we'll see you to morrow.
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You see, that's useful information.
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Because now you're not simply looking
for an acting class.
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You're looking for training that
addresses a specific need,
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and that changes everything.
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One of the most important questions you
can ask yourself is, what can't I do
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yet that I want to be able to do?
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There is your starting point.
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Let's talk about the word of mouth
problem.
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Actors.
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They love recommendations.
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For example, who do you study with,
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or you have to take this person's class?
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And word of mouth can be useful,
absolutely, but here's the problem.
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Your friend, isn't you?
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Your friend may need discipline.
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You may need freedom.
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Your friend may need technique.
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You may need confidence.
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Your friend may thrive with an
instructor who is confrontational.
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You may completely shut down.
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Someone can truthfully say, this
teacher changed my life.
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That's so wonderful.
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That still doesn't mean they're going
to change yours.
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Recommendations are leads.
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They're not conclusions.
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I would suggest trusting them as
research.
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And there's also an unregulated problem
we need to talk about.
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This is another uncomfortable reality.
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Acting.
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Training is not a particularly
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regulated
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business.
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There isn't one universally accepted
credential that suddenly makes somebody
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qualified to teach acting.
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And the ability to act doesn't
automatically create the ability to
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teach acting.
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Those are different skills.
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A wonderful actor may be unable to
explain what they do.
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A wonderful teacher may never have been
famous.
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That's true.
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Celebrity isn't pedagogy,
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and neither is a long resume.
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Teaching requires communication.
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Observation,
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diagnosis, adaptability.
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A teacher has to be able to look at one
actor and recognize
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your pushing,
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and then look at another actor doing
almost exactly the same thing and realize
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you're protecting yourself.
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Same result.
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Different problem,
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therefore
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different teaching
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that's where good instruction becomes
enormously valuable.
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Let's talk about technique versus dogma.
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I'm always a little cautious when any
acting teacher suggests that their
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particular technique is the only way to
act.
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There are wonderful approaches to acting
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Stanislavsky
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meisner,
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Adler, strasperg,
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practical aesthetics, Michael chekhoff,
and combinations
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and variations of all of them.
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You can learn something valuable
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from many of those approaches.
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But eventually, the technique has to
serve the actor.
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The actor does not have to serve the
technique
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that's important,
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if you're spending more time worrying
about whether you're doing the
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technique correctly than whether you're
actually communicating with another
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human being,
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something may have gotten lost.
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I sometimes see actors in auditions who
are clearly doing something.
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They're working very, very hard.
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You can almost see the machinery.
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And I'm thinking,
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I don't need to see the technique.
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I need to see the person.
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Good training eventually becomes
invisible.
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That's the goal.
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Now here's something I don't think we
discuss enough.
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I call it the intermediate
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plateau.
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Beginning actors often know exactly why
they're training.
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They like, they don't know how to act
yet.
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Right?
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Well, that's fair enough.
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Everything is new.
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Listening.
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Objectives, behavior, camera technique,
script analysis, professional vocabulary.
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There's tremendous growth, because
there's tremendous territory to cover.
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Then
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something happens,
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they get better.
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And that's where things can get
surprisingly difficult,
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because now they're competent,
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they're not beginners any more,
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but they're not necessarily advancing
either.
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They can do the scene,
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they can
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make choices, they can audition.
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They understand the vocabulary,
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and suddenly
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de plateau.
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So what do they do?
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They take another acting class,
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then another,
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then another.
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But they're repeating rather than
developing.
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This is where training has to become
more specific.
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Maybe you don't need another scene,
study class.
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Maybe you need comedy, maybe
Shakespeare, maybe voice, maybe
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movement, maybe improv, maybe on camera
technique.
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Maybe you need to work on audition,
preparation.
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Maybe you need to take some time off
and eventually apply what you've learned
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that's allowed to
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trading shouldn't become a hiding place
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from doing.
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Are you learning
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or performing?
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Here's another trap.
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Sometimes actors stay in a class
because they've become good at the class.
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They know the teacher, they know the
exercises, they know the other students.
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They know what gets positive responses,
they're comfortable.
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And comfort feels wonderful.
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But ask yourself, am I learning or have
I become good at being a student in
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this particular classroom?
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Those aren't necessarily the same thing.
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On the other hand, constant discomfort
isn't automatically evidence of growth either.
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This is important.
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A teacher who makes you feel good isn't
necessarily a good teacher.
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But a teacher who makes you feel
terrible.
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Isn't necessarily challenging you.
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Pain is not proof of artistic
development,
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neither is praise.
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The question is, am I becoming more
capable?
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Can I do something today that I
couldn't do six months ago?
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You see that's measurable growth.
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Now I want you to visit before you
commit?
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Whenever possible.
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I want you to investigate before you
commit yourself to any training or any class.
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First of all, you need to ask, can I
audit the class.
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Can I observe it?
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Can I speak with the instructor?
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Can you talk to a current or former
student?
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That's a great question.
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What does the room feel like?
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Not, whether everybody's happy.
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Learning isn't always happy,
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but the environment isn't respectful.
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Is the criticism specific?
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Does the teacher explain why something
isn't working?
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Do they offer a path toward improvement?
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Listen carefully to the language.
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There's a tremendous difference between
that.
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Wasn't good.
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And I don't believe you're listening to
what the other character is telling you.
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Right?
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One is judgment, the other is
information.
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Information helps you work and pay
attention to personality.
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Teaching
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is communication.
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If the teacher's communication style
doesn't reach you, it doesn't
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necessarily mean either of you is wrong.
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It may simply be a poor fittle.
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Let's talk about training as an
investment,
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because we have to talk about money,
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because acting.
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Training can become
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enormously expensive, and actors
sometimes feel guilty about considering cost.
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Don't
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you're running a business.
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Training is an investment, and
investments
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need to make sense before committing.
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Ask,
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what does this cost?
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How long is the commitment?
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What other expenses are involved?
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Can I realistically afford this,
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will paying for this class create
financial stress that outweighs its benefit,
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because the most expensive class is not
automatically the best class and
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cheaper isn't automatically smarter
either.
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Think about value value.
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If you have 600 dollars available for
professional development,
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maybe the answer isn't another twelve
week acting class.
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Maybe it's for private voice sections,
or an improv intensive
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or three months of on camera work.
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Or maybe you save the money, because
right now your head shots need replacing
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that's career strategy.
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Your training budget is part of your
business budget.
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Now we need to talk about the
psychological value of training.
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And there's another side of training
that I think has become increasingly important.
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The room,
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the actual room
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with people in it.
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Actors need other actors.
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We spend so much time communicating
through screens, through self tanks and
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on zoom and emails and social media,
AI, artificial intelligence, even
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auditions increasingly
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happen without another actor being
physically present.
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And technology
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isn't going away,
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nor should it.
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But something interesting happens when
twelve actors get into a room together.
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They watch,
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they listen, they fail, they laugh,
they experiment, they encourage one another.
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They discover they're not the only
person struggling with something
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that matters.
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There is psychological value in
artistic community,
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particularly in a profession where so
much time is spent alone waiting for
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somebody else to say, yes.
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A good class reminds you that acting
isn't only about getting hired,
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it's something you actually enjoy doing.
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Remember, that's
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important.
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We're going to take a quick break.
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But when we come back, I want to give
you a simple way to evaluate any class
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workshop or teacher you're considering.
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And one question that might save you a
lot of money,
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more on getting the training you
actually need
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right after this.
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Ok, welcome, bad let's make this
practical
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before you sign up for your next class
workshop or intensive.
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I want you to consider five things.
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One
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need,
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what specifically am I trying to
improve?
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Not,
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I should be training.
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Why?
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What skills need attention?
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If you can't answer that question, you
don't spend that money at.
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Please
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figure out the need.
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First
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two fit.
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Does this teacher communicate in a way
that works for me?
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Can I understand the feedback?
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Do I feel challenged without feeling
diminished?
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Does the environment encourage
experimentation?
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Remember, you're not looking for
somebody to tell you you're wonderful
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you're looking for somebody who can
help you become better.
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Three, application,
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can I use what I'm learning outside the
classroom?
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That's huge.
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Does the technique survive contact with
an actual audition?
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That's a great question, I think.
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Can you apply it when you have six
hours to prepare?
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Can you use it on a film set?
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Can you use it when a director says?
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Great?
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Do it again?
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Do it again?
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Completely different.
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I've heard that
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training should eventually
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function under pressure.
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Next
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investment.
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Does the financial and time commitment
make sense for where I am right now?
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Not some day right now.
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Training is part of your investment,
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treated with the same seriousness you
would treat,
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oh, I don't know, headshots,
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equipment,
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travel, or other professional materials.
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Next there is growth.
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Am I actually getting better?
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Not?
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Do I love the teacher?
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Not?
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Have I made friends?
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Not?
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Have I been here for three years?
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Am I growing?
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That's the question.
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Sometimes the right training changes.
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This is something actors occasionally
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will feel guilty about.
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Outgrowing a teacher.
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You don't need to.
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Really.
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A teacher can be exactly right for one
period of your development and wrong
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for the next.
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That doesn't invalidate what they gave
you.
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In fact, it may mean the training
worked.
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You grew.
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Your needs changed.
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Perhaps now you need somebody else.
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Good training should create
independence.
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Eventually, you shouldn't need the
teacher standing beside you in order to work.
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The teacher's voice becomes part of
your own process,
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and then your process becomes yours
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that's development.
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Actors can give teachers
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enormous authority
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honestly, sometimes too much.
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The teacher says, you're a character
actor.
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You shouldn't do comedy.
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You're not ready for television.
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You need another year before you
audition.
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Be careful.
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A teacher has a perspective,
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hopefully an informed one,
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but it's still a perspective.
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No teacher gets to define the limits of
your career, including me.
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Take the information, consider the
source, evaluate whether it helps.
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Then make your own professional
decision.
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A teacher should, expand your
possibilities,
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not shrink them,
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right?
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So here's your reset?
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Stop asking.
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What's the best acting class.
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Guess what there is at one.
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Really instead, ask,
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what do I need to become better at
next?
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That's a much more useful question.
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Identify the need.
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Research the options
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observe.
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When you can
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evaluate the teacher, consider the
commitment.
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Consider the money.
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And then ask whether the training is
actually producing growth.
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Because training isn't something you
collect,
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it's something you use.
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And remember this.
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Good training should eventually make
you less dependent
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on training.
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It should give you tools,
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confidence, curiosity,
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discipline, community and ultimately
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independence.
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Your teacher isn't creating your talent.
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They're helping you learn how to access
it.
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And perhaps that's the best definition
of good training I can give you.
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And Jeff rise back.
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Thank you for spending this time with
me.
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This is casting actor's cast,
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and I will see you next time.
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Thanks.
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