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Hello fellow actors.
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Welcome back to casting actor's caste.
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Today.
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The episode is called how to act with
irony.
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And I want to start with a warning,
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irony is one of the fastest ways actors
sabotage themselves,
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not because irony is bad, but because
it's
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always
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So today we're going to talk
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about what irony actually is, why
casting loves it when it's done right,
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and how to play irony without losing
truth.
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This is casting actor's caste.
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Well, hello, and welcome to today's
episode of cassing actress gas.
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I'm Jeff dries back a casting partner
with mcorkal casting in New York for
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going on, like sixteen years.
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Oh my goodness, it's been a long time.
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I hope you're doing well.
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I'm looking forward to sharing this
episode.
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It's been a while since I've done an
episode about some acting
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moments, some acting truths, so I
thought this would be an excellent time
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to do that, to share that, talking all
about irony.
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I think you're going to find this
really, really valuable, especially
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when you come across it in a script or
an audition.
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The tips I have for you might be very,
very practical for you to play
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very very practical insights on how to
make it work for yourself.
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But first, this is that moment of the
podcast where I simply get to say thank
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you for tuning into casting actors gas.
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The podcast has been going really,
really well.
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And I invite you to check out the
website, casting actors cast, all, one
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word dot com.
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There you're going to find all kinds of
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One is a form that says, dive into the
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If you fill out that form, it gives me
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I don't abuse that email address, by
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Ever, I might send out an occasional
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check out this episode kind of thing.
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But that's been very, very rare, simply
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of the social media stuff that people
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I just don't have the time to do it.
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So I'd rather put my energy and focus
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videos, because I'm also similcasting
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But anyway, if you go back to casting,
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available for you.
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My book is out also.
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My course is available to you as well.
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there's jeff's jots, which happens to
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the episode.
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These are the actual scripts that I
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many actors have found this to be
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Because if you're in your car listening
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But there may be some piece of advice
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So good for you.
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There's a lot to talk about.
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What's happening in our casting office.
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We're gearing up right now for some of
our summer theaters, contemporary
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American theatre festival, Barrington
stage company.
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We're doing work with playmaker's
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working simultaneously
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on three films that are going to be
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So there's a lot happening at mccorkl
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And you can check out mccorko casting
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working on.
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So welcome, aboard glad, to have you
here.
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Let's jump into the subject.
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First of all, irony.
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You know, it took me a long time to
really understand what that was.
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And it wasn't until I saw a production
of importance of being earnest
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that I really figured it out.
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That the character has one train of
thought, but the audience knows better.
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So if you think about that, just talk
about what irony is.
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First of all, let's talk about what
irony is, not that's, I think, more
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valuable first.
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So when we're talking about irony
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in acting, it is not sarcasm.
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It is not smirking.
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It is not sort of winking at the
audience like you are on the inside of
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the joke.
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Irony is playing the truth of the
moment,
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while the audience knows more than you
do
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see, the character is absolutely
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committed and believes fully, while the
audience
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holds the contradiction.
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To me, in writing, that is the magic.
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But, you know, I often see actors
overplaying
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the ironic moment
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in whatever scene that they're doing
whether it's in scene study, or even
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whether it's in a film audition or
television audition.
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See, actors overplay irony because
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they want to show that they're
intelligent, that they know, they want
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to be in on the joke with the audience.
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Sometimes I think actors want to feel
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They want to feel like they're smart
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They don't trust simplicity.
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But you have to know that irony lives
in commitment,
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not commentary.
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So please do not comment on those
moments.
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And so here's a call to action to help
you out with that.
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Ask yourself, why does my character
believe
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completely
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play that?
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Why does my character believe
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completely
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play that?
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I think that was worth repeating.
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The casting director's point of view.
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When actors play irony correctly
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is important to take a look at.
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When I see it done well, it feels
effortless.
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It feels really confident.
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It feels watchable.
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Now when I see it not being done, well
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here's what it feels like.
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It feels smug.
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It feels very busy.
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It feels unsafe.
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It kind of muddies the Waters.
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Casting doesn't want clever
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we want
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grounded.
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Okay.
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Somebody write that down?
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That was really good.
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Now, how to practice irony here's some
practical tools that I think you're
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going to find useful.
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First of all,
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remove the punch line.
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Just eliminate it it's not something
you have to play.
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It is not something that you need if
you simply remove the punch line.
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I'm not talking about in performance.
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I'm talking about in preparation.
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So if you're indicating the irony, you
need to stop.
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Let it land without help.
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Here's tool number two, raise the
stakes.
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Ok, how many times have you heard that?
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Right?
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See, but as it relates to irony, irony
works when the character needs
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something badly.
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Ah here's tool.
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Number three, stay in the earnest mode.
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Speaking of the importance of being
earnest.
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Irony Dies.
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When actors judge their own character.
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When you make a statement about
yourself, you are dead in the water.
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So here's a call to action.
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I'd like to share with you.
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Play every ironic moment.
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Like it's deadly serious.
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When you do that, that heightens
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the emotional
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aperture, so to speak, of the moment.
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And it really makes it interesting.
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It can also broaden the comedy.
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It really does work so beautifully
well, because
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to the character,
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that kind of sincerity
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is really fun to see.
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So I think where irony lives best,
where do you see it, and where does it
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live?
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Bess I love that phrase, where does it
live best?
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Because it thrives.
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I think in comedy, you see it quite
frequently,
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what I call dramedy
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comic drama.
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You'll see it in procedurals, many,
many times.
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You'll also see it in modern realism.
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But this is true.
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Irony seems to just fall flat
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when it's a generalization of self
awareness,
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when it is actor commentary.
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And so we're going to have some final
thoughts about irony
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right after this.
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Welcome back.
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I'm so delighted that you are able to
stay with this talking about irony.
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And there are some thoughts that I have
to share with you about this, because I
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think irony is not about showing how
smart you are.
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I see that happening all the time.
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It's like that proverbial, nink, whit,
nink, wink, wink, nudge, nudge
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that the actor turns to the audience.
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It's almost as bad as mugging, as far
as I'm concerned.
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So that's the effort for
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the actor to show the audience,
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I'm really smart.
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I know what's going on.
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When the opposite is true.
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The truth of the matter is, it takes a
very, very sophisticated
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sense of humor to be able to be sincere
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in those ironic moments.
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You see, it's about honoring how
sincere the character is, even when
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they're in the wrong or they're doing
something wrong.
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Another thing to consider is
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to be able to trust the writing,
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trust the moment that is being created
by the writer.
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And that's simply when you're reading
through your material and you find the
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ironic moments in that script, you
know, I would absolutely make a
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notation of that just so that it is
something that you can work against showing
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um.
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And then you can trust the moment
itself.
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Because when you do that, you're
trusting yourself
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and trusting yourself as what it's all
about.
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But it's also
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very, very smart of you to make a
notation of those moments, simply
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because that will help you stay away
from commenting on it.
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I hope that that was helpful to you.
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If this episode helped you, please do
me a favor.
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Share it with a seen partner who keeps
playing the joke.
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I'm Jeff driesbach, and this is casting
actors cast.
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Please remember to prepare smarter,
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act better and book more.
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I'll see you next time