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[0:01] Jesse McAnally: Hello, I'm Jesse McAnally. And I'm Andrew DeWolf. And I'm Liz Esten. And welcome to Musicals with Cheese, a podcast where I try to get Andrew and Liz to like musical theater. And today we have reached our penultimate episode that we have, you know, we, oh God, Andrew's taking off his shirt. Oh no, Andrew's unbuttoning his shirt.

[0:26] Andrew DeWolf: Bring it down a little bit. Hair getting you so much that you too need to strip naked before we wrap this up. You know, I just, I've got a bit of a free lifestyle, you know, I'm just kind of moving around, you know, where I go, you know. You know what, I think I'm also living a free bohemian lifestyle. That means my dick needs to be out, Tom.

[0:48] Liz Esten: Yeah, I think I'm also living a free bohemian lifestyle, which means I don't know who the father of my child is. That's fine.

[0:51] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's fine. Let's take acid and put on a stage musical. That sounds awesome. Let's do it. Meatloaf was in me once.

[1:03] Jesse McAnally: Maybe Meatloaf is the father of my child. Meatloaf was in you?

[1:21] Jesse McAnally: This week we are talking about the edgy bohemian rock musical Hair. Cue the music.

[1:51] Jesse McAnally: So Hair is a musical written by Jerome Ragney and James Rado, with music and lyrics by them as well. After an off-Broadway debut on October 17, 1967 at Joseph Papp's Public Theater, and a run at the Cheetah nightclub from December 1967 through January 1968, the show opened on Broadway in April of 1968 and ran for a whopping 1,750 performances.

[2:21] Jesse McAnally: Other productions in cities across the United States and Europe followed shortly thereafter, including a successful London production that ran for over 1,997 performances. Since then, numerous productions have been staged around the world, spawning dozens of recordings of the musical, including the 3 million-selling original Broadway cast recording.

[2:41] Jesse McAnally: The plot of Hair, if you can try to call it a plot, is a musical that introduces rock and roll to the theatrical stage. Hair examines a group of 60s-era youth struggling for generational and personal identity, dealing with the Vietnam War and exploring the drugs and sexual revolution.

[3:11] Liz Esten: Why do you wish that?

[3:41] Andrew DeWolf: So, it broke down the walls.

[4:11] Jesse McAnally: It broke down the walls.

[4:31] Andrew DeWolf: And it was like, these weren't Broadway actors. These were just folks pulled off the streets. The Broadway, like, Bukowski and George Berger were the writers of the show. And they were doing drugs during it. And they had a lot of very famous and would-become-famous people involved in numerous casts, including Meatloaf and Ben Vereen, as well as Andre De Shields.

[4:57] Andrew DeWolf: So many folks that would become very important. But here's the thing. Is it good? Like, is good or bad a scale that this show even deserves?

[5:11] Liz Esten: Is this a show?

[5:14] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, it is a show. It's definitely a show.

[5:18] Liz Esten: But is it an experience? I don't know.

[5:23] Andrew DeWolf: I think there's a wonderful description from Leonard Bernstein about—remember, he'd been doing theater for a while, and this might be apocryphal, but he is quoted at the time saying, that's not a musical, that's a list of laundry items.

[5:44] Jesse McAnally: And there is a lot of list songs in this show. It is important. It is, like—but then again, we gotta pull out the Kamala Harris quote. This show didn't just fall out of a coconut tree. You have to put it in the context of when it was done. Which is the most interesting thing about this show, and the reason why it shouldn't be performed anymore.

[6:09] Andrew DeWolf: If you look at this show as a wrecking ball, right? It paves the way for all the new stuff, but you don't go back to the wrecking ball. We got the new stuff now.

[6:22] Jesse McAnally: And the things that they're trying to be edgy and proclamative just don't work anymore. I'm sure when it's just 10 years before black and white people couldn't get married legally, having a bunch of black women sing about how attractive white men are would have been something really wild and transgressive.

[6:45] Andrew DeWolf: But here, it becomes a research assignment more than it becomes me enjoying a show.

[7:16] Jesse McAnally: And I watch this and feel the same way I do watching Rent. Especially with these people, because they are rich people. All these people come from rich families that are LARPing as poor people and pretending—I mean, let's not pretend the draft wasn't something big. It was something big.

[7:36] Andrew DeWolf: But they are pretending that they are put upon in ways that they really aren't. And this generation, the hippie generation, either ended up dying in Vietnam, dying of overdoses, or becoming the boomers that are currently telling us we don't work hard enough. And you know what? Watching this, I don't think these motherfuckers are working that hard either!

[7:57] Jesse McAnally: It's projection, bro. It's always been projection. They're like, you should learn from my mistakes. Don't be a layabout like I was. You should work hard.

[8:11] Andrew DeWolf: I love doing that, but it was a mistake, and you guys shouldn't do it.

[8:36] Jesse McAnally: Milos was a QAnon conspiracy theorist, just saying. He believed in QAnon.

[8:40] Andrew DeWolf: But the shit he was posting, I mean, my god.

[8:43] Jesse McAnally: I had to scroll through that Facebook page for that video you told me to make, and it was horrendous.

[8:49] Andrew DeWolf: And he was in Hair. He is part of the generation that made Hair the thing that it is.

[8:56] Jesse McAnally: So it's Milos' fault, is what you're saying.

[8:59] Andrew DeWolf: It's his generation's fault. And we can't even have rock and rollers say transgressive shit anymore, because then Tenacious D breaks up!

[9:09] Jesse McAnally: Can we even discuss that? I feel like we can't discuss that.

[9:12] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think we can discuss that.

[9:14] Jesse McAnally: Because then we're going to have to break up, because I'll say something that you're going to have to apologize for.

[9:18] Andrew DeWolf: I was blindsided by what Andrew Newell said publicly!

[9:22] Jesse McAnally: Guys, I think Trump might be bad, bro.

[9:26] Andrew DeWolf: I think our creative plans are on hold!

[9:31] Jesse McAnally: Forever!

[9:32] Liz Esten: And I'm here, too. Hi. Hello.

[9:34] Jesse McAnally: Alright.

[9:36] Andrew DeWolf: You're the pick of destiny.

[9:38] Jesse McAnally: I'm the pick of destiny.

[9:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, you think Hair.

[9:42] Liz Esten: I want to talk about the fact that this show is kind of just a vibe.

[9:48] Jesse McAnally: We've talked about shows like this before, I think, where you just sit and you're in it, but there's no anything other than just a vibe, a feeling.

[9:59] Andrew DeWolf: I think this invented the vibe feeling musical.

[10:03] Jesse McAnally: Without this, you don't have Company or Godspell.

[10:07] Andrew DeWolf: I think Godspell and this are very similar in a lot of ways.

[10:11] Jesse McAnally: Strangely.

[10:13] Andrew DeWolf: I think Godspell is Christian Hair.

[10:15] Jesse McAnally: I feel like we read a review that said that.

[10:17] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, and that was exactly what it was trying to be.

[10:22] Jesse McAnally: Let's just take Hair and take out the drugs and put Jesus in.

[10:39] Andrew DeWolf: Now that I've seen Hair, I've lost a little bit of respect for Godspell.

[10:43] Jesse McAnally: I mean, this is it.

[10:45] Andrew DeWolf: This is the Christian version.

[10:47] Jesse McAnally: Why would I watch the Christian version?

[10:49] Andrew DeWolf: This is the real deal.

[10:51] Jesse McAnally: Let's talk about the Tony year.

[10:53] Andrew DeWolf: This came out briefly because I think it's very funny.

[10:56] Jesse McAnally: So this big countercultural, not only hit with the critics, but hit with the audiences.

[11:04] Andrew DeWolf: The record became a huge smash.

[11:07] Jesse McAnally: Do you know what it lost the Tony Award for Best Musical to?

[11:11] Andrew DeWolf: Absolutely not.

[11:13] Jesse McAnally: I actually don't.

[11:15] Andrew DeWolf: Everyone's favorite musical, 1776.

[11:36] Jesse McAnally: What?

[11:37] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, shit.

[11:38] Jesse McAnally: We're never going to talk about that.

[11:39] Andrew DeWolf: That's excellent.

[11:40] Jesse McAnally: 1776 is one of the most boring things anyone's ever read.

[11:45] Andrew DeWolf: Five songs in the whole thing.

[11:47] Jesse McAnally: There's like five songs in Act Two is like a series of monologues.

[11:50] Andrew DeWolf: Is it Mr. Feeney in the movie?

[11:52] Jesse McAnally: Yes, he is.

[11:53] Andrew DeWolf: Damn right.

[11:55] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, we never have to talk about this.

[11:58] Andrew DeWolf: Unless you make us talk about it.

[12:00] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, yeah.

[12:01] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think I can imagine.

[12:03] Jesse McAnally: Anyone will, but it's the only way you'll get us to talk about it.

[12:07] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[12:08] Jesse McAnally: It was boring.

[12:09] Andrew DeWolf: It was boring.

[12:10] Jesse McAnally: America bad.

[12:11] Andrew DeWolf: And that's the whole episode.

[12:12] Jesse McAnally: Actually, we could dress up as Supreme Court justices and analyze it.

[12:15] Andrew DeWolf: We could.

[12:16] Jesse McAnally: We have to get costumes.

[12:18] Andrew DeWolf: Do the budget for that.

[12:21] Jesse McAnally: Does this show work without the context of what it is? Like, in theory.

[12:27] Andrew DeWolf: Andrew and Liz, if someone came to you both and said, we want to do another production of Hair, but rewrite it to fit modern day, but fit in all these songs, could you still do it?

[12:39] Liz Esten: No. I don't think so.

[12:44] Andrew DeWolf: How do you include, do you rewrite the lyrics? Is that part of it?

[12:47] Liz Esten: I think you could, but I feel like the songs are what they are, basically. The songs are so popular outside of themselves that you can't change them. And a lot of these songs do reference things that are directly related to the 1960s, 70s. I don't really know how you could do that, where it becomes...

[13:11] Andrew DeWolf: One of these songs is called LBJ.

[13:13] Liz Esten: Yes.

[13:14] Andrew DeWolf: DJT.

[13:18] Liz Esten: But I also feel like some really out-of-touch producer would replace the hippies with TikTokers.

[13:24] Andrew DeWolf: Which is not relevant. Those are not the same.

[13:27] Liz Esten: Which is not the same thing, and it'd be very cringe.

[13:31] Andrew DeWolf: It is, and then you would have the 2012 production of Godspell. I think the issue is, hippies were kind of a unique thing that doesn't exist now, you know?

[13:45] Liz Esten: Do you think they ever believed in anything? Did the hippies actually have something they believed in, or were they just about drugs and having sex?

[13:53] Andrew DeWolf: I have a lot of opinions on hippies.

[13:55] Liz Esten: I know you do.

[13:56] Andrew DeWolf: I think that hippies... there's different types of hippies. And there are hippies that did truly believe in it. And they actually went on to try to do some stuff. I don't know if I have an example of a person, because I feel like they probably didn't achieve anything, but that's one group. And then there's another group, and I think this is a much, much larger group. Of hippies that were there because they liked drugs and sex. And there wasn't really anything else to it. They just really wanted to hang out in a fucking field with a tent and listen to Jimi Hendrix while they did a fuckton of drugs and had sex. And I think that's a huge group of hippies. That's like most of them. And those people went on to become business leaders and fuck over everyone who wants to hang out in a field and do drugs and have sex.

[14:56] Liz Esten: Because they are angry they can't do it anymore.

[14:59] Andrew DeWolf: I don't even think it's that. I think it's an extension of what they were doing before. They wanted to hang out in a field and do drugs and have sex because that's what they liked doing, and it benefited them personally. And then when they became business leaders, they wanted to fuck all those people over because it benefited them personally. It's all the same motivation. They just wanted stuff. It's very hedonistic.

[15:26] Liz Esten: I think part of the problem with the boomer generation as a whole is that it is very hedonistic and self-centered. And they often do just do things that only benefit them, and that's why a lot of people hate them.

[15:43] Andrew DeWolf: I completely agree. And I also feel like, I think, see this is the stressful thing. I think a lot of female hippies were kind of legit. I think most male hippies turned out to be kind of garbage human beings, and history proved that correct.

[16:04] Liz Esten: I mean, not to be the guy to go to the dark place, but do you think Woodstock was a safe place to be as a woman?

[16:14] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think it was a safe place to be as a human being.

[16:18] Liz Esten: Yeah, but especially as a woman.

[16:21] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[16:22] Liz Esten: Like, no one brings up the amount of bodies at the end of the first Woodstock.

[16:28] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[16:29] Liz Esten: So that was like the original Fyre Festival.

[16:32] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, or the Woodstock 99, if we're being like previously, because Woodstock 99 had a lot of cases of violence towards women.

[16:41] Liz Esten: Woodstock 99 was a nostalgia bullshit thing, though. There's no hippies there.

[16:44] Andrew DeWolf: That's true.

[16:48] Liz Esten: But in terms of violence, yeah, you know what I mean.

[16:51] Andrew DeWolf: That's because they invited nine-inch nails.

[16:53] Liz Esten: That's true. And Limp Bizkit. Well, speaking of music and big artists, I do want to quote a few more big artists and get their opinions on it. So what do you think Richard Rodgers thought of this musical?

[17:06] Andrew DeWolf: He loved it. I'm going to go, he loved it.

[17:08] Liz Esten: This is the hardest brief he's ever...

[17:12] Andrew DeWolf: Richard Rodgers?

[17:13] Liz Esten: Yeah, Rodgers and Hanson. Why did I ask Richard Rodgers about Hair?

[17:16] Andrew DeWolf: Because it's a Broadway show and he's somehow still alive.

[17:20] Liz Esten: Okay. Oh shit, he actually, yeah, I had to look this up. He lived until 79.

[17:25] Andrew DeWolf: Damn.

[17:26] Liz Esten: Okay. Okay, no, no, okay. He thought it sucked, because honestly, why the fuck wouldn't he think it sucks? He claimed he could only hear the beat and called it one-third music. Now, maybe that's not fair, because we're looking into the Broadway world. This is a new counterculture. John Fogarty of Clear, Clear Revival, Clear...

[17:46] Andrew DeWolf: Clearance Clearwater Revival?

[17:48] Liz Esten: Yeah. He said, Hair is such a watered-down version of what's really going on that I can't get behind it at all.

[17:56] Andrew DeWolf: I'm not surprised John Fogarty didn't like it.

[17:59] Liz Esten: That is something to bring up, yeah. Like, because they're not using the real, like, folk music of the 60s and it's all their own stuff, you can end up with the situation where it's kind of a manufactured version of it, you know?

[18:14] Andrew DeWolf: But these songs have become iconic connections with the hippie movement and culture.

[18:19] Liz Esten: It's true.

[18:20] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, but they have now.

[18:24] Liz Esten: Is that what hippies saw it as back then?

[18:26] Andrew DeWolf: Maybe not.

[18:27] Liz Esten: Yeah. It's like, maybe someday songs from, like, fucking Hamilton will be like, this is what rap was like.

[18:36] Andrew DeWolf: It'll probably be more like songs from The Greatest Showman.

[18:39] Liz Esten: Those are already everywhere.

[18:42] Andrew DeWolf: That's, yeah, but they're in ads, so. This is what rap is like. And it's like, well, back in the day, that's not really how we saw that, but sure. Like, hippie bands like Grateful Dead, Everson Airplane, The Holding Company, like...

[19:35] Andrew DeWolf: Now, that being said, I am not a big fan of boomer rock, and I actually thought some of the songs in this were better than most boomer rock, so.

[19:59] Liz Esten: Well, what would you consider the Beatles' boomer rock?

[20:06] Andrew DeWolf: I think Andrew would.

[20:07] Liz Esten: The Beatles?

[20:08] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[20:10] Liz Esten: No, but also yes.

[20:13] Andrew DeWolf: It depends what album.

[20:16] Liz Esten: Well, do you want to hear what John Lennon thought of Hair as our last...

[20:21] Andrew DeWolf: What year was he asked this question?

[20:23] Liz Esten: Contemporaneously of the time.

[20:26] Andrew DeWolf: I think that he would think it's a bunch of posers, because he was into that weird experimental shit at the time, probably. And he, I mean, he liked Yoko Ono singing, so.

[20:40] Liz Esten: Hey, Yoko can't sing, shut up.

[20:42] Andrew DeWolf: I think Yoko's fine. And actually, I think that we need more people that are willing to just scream into a microphone.

[20:51] Liz Esten: We do.

[20:52] Andrew DeWolf: We do. It's called podcasting, Andrew. Uh, I think John Lennon hated it.

[20:56] Liz Esten: It's called fucking art, okay? You think John Lennon hated it, Liz?

[20:59] Andrew DeWolf: I think John Lennon hated Hair.

[21:01] Liz Esten: I think he thought it was stupid. It could have been impactful with, like, protesting or something. I don't know.

[21:07] Andrew DeWolf: Um, all right. His quote, um, as purported by Gene Lees, said, I found a doll. I don't know any musician who thinks it's good.

[21:17] Liz Esten: Okay, so here's my thought. Here's my thought. This show, back then, appealed to a very specific group of people. And that group of people is normies. This is, this is counterculture for the normies. Um, so the old guard that made the old stuff, and they're not gonna like this. And then the actual, like, real hippies that were involved in that movement, they're not gonna like this. This is for the people who are not on either side, but they're just curious. That's my thought. What do you think?

[21:53] Andrew DeWolf: What do you think?

[21:54] Liz Esten: I think that this show, at the end of the day, is not art as much as it is a piece of commerce.

[22:03] Andrew DeWolf: Well, that's kind of what I'm saying, a little bit. Where it's like, it's not, if you wanted, if you wanted hippie art, you wouldn't go see Hair, you would go look at, like, you know, Jimi Hendrix or, like, uh, you know, Grateful Dead or whatever the fuck, whoever the fuck these hippies were listening to. Liz, like, what do you think? Like, from your point of view, does this, does this feel like it has any valid place outside of, you know, like, a nice relic of Broadway gone by?

[22:34] Liz Esten: What is this fucking conversation? Like, what are we talking about? Honestly, the weird thing is, the version we watched was from 2009. We, like, we watched a new version, technically, and it felt so out of place in 2009 for me. I was like, guys, what the, this feels like a relic of the 60s, and we should have kept it there, in a way. Like, we can revive it, and we can do the weird thing they did in the 80s, maybe, but like, I don't know what this is, Jess. I don't know what Hair is. I had to rewind it periodically to figure out if a plot was happening or not, so.

[23:07] Andrew DeWolf: And there wasn't.

[23:09] Liz Esten: There wasn't one, I figured it out the fifth time rewinding, but I don't know what Hair is. I'm trying to figure it out. Let's not pretend that this show wasn't controversial at the time. It was. Especially when it went on tour. There was a bombing in Cleveland because the show was going on. There was a lawsuit against the show because of how it portrays the American flag, and they had, apparently, a law that said anyone who desecrates the flag should be whipped in Boston Common.

[23:41] Andrew DeWolf: Jesus Christ.

[23:43] Liz Esten: What a great fucking law. And of course, the DA had to appeal them to the Supreme Court of that state, and, you know, it's ridiculous. And also, they had issues with the nude scenes, where everyone strips naked, and apparently that's indecent exposure and whatnot. It is truly a show that pisses people off, for better and for worse.

[24:10] Andrew DeWolf: I feel nothing watching this aside from, oh, that's quaint. I know that's me speaking as a young, kind of... I am very lucky to be at this position where I was not drafted. I was not thrown into these very specific situations. Thankfully, while racism is still a big problem in this country, it has come a long way since the 60s. A lot of these things, I feel, is a little quaint and a little annoying. These people on stage annoy the fuck out of me.

[24:41] Liz Esten: Yeah. Jess, speaking of annoying, you in particular, and also sort of me, do you want to do a quick comparison with another one of our favorite shows, our second?

[24:55] Jesse McAnally: I was about to say, this is actually like a ring theory going on here. Because our next episode is going to be a Sondheim, and this is like our counterculture big change that none of us fucking like thing. And much like our opening, which was a Sondheim show, and our second episode was Rent, a counterculture thing no one fucking, we didn't fucking like. This is very much like Rent in every single conceivable way.

[25:23] Andrew DeWolf: Every way. Yeah, it's just 60s Rent.

[25:27] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. It's bohemians that are like self-centered and poverty tourists, and like literally it's like the same, they're talking about the issues of the day. It's all the same shit. It's just Rent.

[25:44] Andrew DeWolf: Rent tries to have a plot. I will give it...

[25:47] Jesse McAnally: Yes. Rent has a plot.

[25:49] Andrew DeWolf: Rent has a plot. This is just hippies vibing.

[25:52] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, but the 90s were more plot-centric. The 60s were all vibes, bro.

[25:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's true. That's true.

[26:00] Jesse McAnally: But it is kind of like the big middle finger to the things of the day, which back then was the Vietnam War and free love and sexuality. And Rent was like sexuality, LGBT rights, AIDS, and that plague and all that. They both have their importance in culture, but both have AIDS like fucking sour milk.

[26:25] Andrew DeWolf: What is really crazy is that I feel like we don't even disagree with either of those shows on any of those issues.

[26:29] Jesse McAnally: No.

[26:31] Andrew DeWolf: Really? No.

[26:32] Jesse McAnally: But we just somehow just don't like the shows. I don't know. We just don't like them.

[26:37] Andrew DeWolf: No, Hair goes out of its way to have a gay character, and they're like, okay, cool, you like men, and then they move on. And I'm like, that's great.

[26:44] Jesse McAnally: I agree. I still don't like it.

[26:47] Andrew DeWolf: We're going to say The Epsiler a bunch.

[26:49] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, which doesn't help.

[26:54] Andrew DeWolf: God damn it.

[26:55] Jesse McAnally: Oh my god. And would you believe it? Liz was able to dig this out. There was a 20th anniversary concert held by the United General Assembly to benefit children with AIDS. Can you guess the two crazy women that sponsored this, Andrew?

[27:13] Andrew DeWolf: I think Andrew heard it.

[27:14] Jesse McAnally: I overheard, so I can't guess.

[27:17] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, so just reveal to the audience. That one of them was Nancy Reagan.

[27:21] Andrew DeWolf: And the other one was Barbara Walters. Like, if two angels were to beckon me to hell, it would be those two.

[27:28] Jesse McAnally: Also, the best part of this event is it included both guest performances by B. Arthur, Frank Stallone, and Dr. Ruth, the sex expert.

[27:37] Andrew DeWolf: She just died recently.

[27:39] Jesse McAnally: I know, rest in peace, Dr. Ruth. It's so strange that Nancy Reagan would sponsor something like that, when the whole Reagan presidency, their entire thing was that AIDS was a punishment from God or some shit, right?

[27:53] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, well, essentially, this was before or after Rock Hudson died.

[27:58] Jesse McAnally: It was after Rock Hudson died. That's when Reagan started to care about AIDS.

[28:03] Andrew DeWolf: Because they were friends. They wrote nine new songs for this show that had to do with AIDS. They updated the script. And no one can find those songs.

[28:13] Jesse McAnally: I looked. I googled every iteration of Hair AIDS 1988, and I could not find anything.

[28:19] Andrew DeWolf: Hang on a second. How do we know that those nine songs didn't go on to become Rent?

[28:24] Jesse McAnally: You're right!

[28:26] Andrew DeWolf: Jonathan Larson.

[28:29] Jesse McAnally: I think I found a video of Donna Summer performing Rent in some reflection of Hair, but I don't know if it matches. He bought an old apartment and he dug into one of the walls and he's like, what's this? It's all old AIDS songs from Hair.

[28:45] Jesse McAnally: And I don't want to start talking about the songs quite yet, but I do want to say these don't feel like rock songs. Everyone is like, oh, this is a rock musical. They feel like the fucking opening. They feel like Brady Bunch songs. They feel like, I think I'll go for a walk right now. But occasionally they talk about something edgy.

[29:05] Andrew DeWolf: Well, even the sodomy song sounds like a Glee cover of a sex song. It's weird.

[29:12] Jesse McAnally: They should not be. It's weird. The closest you really get to the real rock is they do that reference to Jimi Hendrix's performance of the Star Spangled Banner or whatever.

[29:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, Star Spangled Banner, yeah.

[29:41] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, but I mean, that's just you're just quoting someone else.

[29:48] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[29:49] Jesse McAnally: I which Wyclef tried to do at Woodstock 99 and failed because no one got it. It's like, yeah, I didn't. No one knew anything about actual.

[30:00] Andrew DeWolf: Limp Bizkit definitely understand these references.

[30:03] Jesse McAnally: Limp Bizkit does not belong in a Woodstock. Like, what the fuck? Like, what are you doing?

[30:11] Andrew DeWolf: How about we compare our opinions to those of the theater critics when this first came up? It's time for Previews!

[30:25] Jesse McAnally: Our first review is from Clive Barnes from April 30th, 1968. Hey, it's fresh and frank. Likeable rock music moves to Broadway. So Clive Barnes is kind of like one of the softest New York theater critics, one of the ones that isn't like the knives out.

[30:44] Andrew DeWolf: The authors of the dowdy book and brilliant lyrics have done a very brave thing. They have, in effect, done away with it altogether. Hair is now musical with a theme, not just a story. Nor is it all that has been done. It is totally new, all lit up, gas fired, speed marketed Broadway version. For one thing, it has been made a great deal franker. In fact, it has made the frankest show in town. And this has been a season not noticeable in its verbal or visual reticence.

[31:16] Jesse McAnally: Since I have had a number of letters from people who have seen Previews asking me to warn readers and in urbanely quaint words, one correspondent, spell out what is happening on stage, this I had better do. Well, almost. For spell it out, I cannot. For this remains a family newspaper. However, a great many four-letter words such as love are used very freely. At one point, in what is later affectionately referred to as the nude scene, a number of men and women, I should have counted, are seen totally nude and full, as it were, face. Frequent references, frequent approving references are made to the expanding benefits of drugs. Homosexuality is not frowned upon. One boy announces that he is in love with Mick Jagger, in terms unusually frank.

The American flag is not desecrated. That would be a federal offense, wouldn't it? But it is used in a manner that not everyone would call respectful. Christian ritual also comes in for a bad time. The authors approve enthusiastically of miscegenation, and one enterprising lyric catalogues somewhat arcane sexual practices more familiar to the pages of the Karma Sutra than the New York Times. So there, you have been warned. Oh yes, they also hand out flowers.

[32:53] Andrew DeWolf: We didn't really talk about the nude scene at all. How do you guys feel about it?

[32:59] Jesse McAnally: I don't really care, I guess is my thought. I did theater in college. I didn't do the theater program. I did an alternate theater club, where we did Rocky Horror and all the weird stuff. I've seen my friends naked so many goddamn times. I've seen my friends' boobs more than my own.

[33:19] Andrew DeWolf: Jesse, I haven't seen you naked yet. Is that something we have to do?

[33:24] Jesse McAnally: You know, I don't think that that's really a rite of passage or anything like that. That is not a rite of passage of friendship, unless you're doing Rocky Horror and you see someone's dick for the third time that week, and you don't care. But yeah, I've seen a lot of naked people in my life, and I just don't care. I'm like, whatever, you're naked.

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: Emily Clark did this show and performed the nude scene, and she brought up how occasionally hard it was for men to not stand attention while that scene was going on, which I get. It's a weird thing. To be doing. Your body does strange things. There was a lot of funny quips made about it. Jack Benny, during the interval of the London preview, quipped, did you happen to notice any of them were Jewish? Hilarious. It became a joke. And Groucho Marx quipped, I was gonna go see it, and then I called up the theater. They said tickets were $11 a piece. I told them I'd call back, went into my bathroom, took off all my clothes, I looked at myself full length in the mirror, called the theater and said, forget it. Damn, Groucho Marx with another hit.

[34:31] Jesse McAnally: Damn, Groucho Marx is hung. Do we agree with that review?

[34:36] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know.

[34:40] Jesse McAnally: Did he say anything?

[34:44] Andrew DeWolf: That's a real question. Did he say anything?

[34:46] Jesse McAnally: He did it. I've read this whole review. He didn't say anything.

[34:51] Andrew DeWolf: That's why we have the Ben Brantleys of today. They are gonna be very mean or not say anything at all.

[34:57] Jesse McAnally: This is a sneak peek of our next recording, but I was looking at the review for that recording, and I was reading Jesse Green's thoughts on our subject matter. My God, it took me an hour to figure out what he was saying. How about we compare our opinions to those of the people over on Letterboxd.com? It's time for the Letterboxd Game, one star, five star.

[35:12] Jesse McAnally: Now, if this is your first episode of Musicals with Cheese, what a time to join on, let me tell you that.

[35:20] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, 299 point whatever it is.

[35:22] Jesse McAnally: Oh, welcome. 0.9, baby. I just love Hair so much. This is a game where Liz pulls real Letterboxd reviews, and me and Andrew have to go head-to-head guessing whether they're a one star or five star based on nothing but the review alone.

[35:37] Andrew DeWolf: All right, I'm ready.

[35:38] Jesse McAnally: Andrew, are you ready?

[35:39] Andrew DeWolf: I've been ready.

[35:40] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, this is based off the critically panned 1979 film. We didn't even bring that up.

[35:44] Andrew DeWolf: No one liked it.

[35:47] Jesse McAnally: We'll bring that up in the second half. Fuck it.

[35:48] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, we'll talk about that. Jess probably watched it recently, so I feel like he can talk about it.

[35:53] Jesse McAnally: Jess doubled it with reverb, so.

[35:57] Andrew DeWolf: All right, who wants to go first?

[35:59] Jesse McAnally: I do.

[36:01] Andrew DeWolf: All right, Jess, are you ready?

[36:02] Jesse McAnally: I'm ready.

[36:04] Andrew DeWolf: I like to imagine this is a prequel to The Warriors.

[36:07] Jesse McAnally: I get it. Fine.

[36:10] Andrew DeWolf: That is a one, actually.

[36:13] Jesse McAnally: This person did not like The Warriors.

[36:15] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I thought people liked The Warriors.

[36:17] Jesse McAnally: Apparently, this person didn't like it.

[36:19] Andrew DeWolf: Do you know that that's Lin-Manuel Miranda's next musical? He's doing a musical adaptation of The Warriors.

[36:24] Jesse McAnally: Wait, really?

[36:25] Andrew DeWolf: I'm not making that up.

[36:26] Jesse McAnally: Is he going to do a song about that one line?

[36:28] Andrew DeWolf: Warriors, come out to play.

[36:31] Jesse McAnally: Warriors, come out to play.

[36:38] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, he's definitely going to. That's going to be a whole multiple song.

[36:41] Jesse McAnally: That's got to be a whole number. It's a whole dance number. I mean, he announced it last August. We'll probably see it in 2045 or something.

[36:50] Andrew DeWolf: Amazing.

[36:51] Jesse McAnally: All right, Andrew.

[36:52] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah?

[36:53] Jesse McAnally: I was not expecting dressage, which is riding horses.

[37:00] Andrew DeWolf: You know, I won't begin to attempt to interpret that, and instead we'll just pick a number. We're going to go with one.

[37:07] Jesse McAnally: That's right. He's cooking my ass. Andrew's on the board. I have more than infinite the amount of points that Jess has.

[37:14] Andrew DeWolf: You know, because you always play, and I most often don't.

[37:18] Jesse McAnally: That'll change with the cheese wheel.

[37:22] Andrew DeWolf: These guys had unlimited aura, holy shit I get that that seems like a five.

[37:34] Jess McAnally: Yeah, this shit definitely got Reagan elected.

[37:38] Andrew DeWolf: Oh.

[37:40] Jess McAnally: No.

[37:43] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[37:46] Jess McAnally: Wait you said yeah.

[37:47] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, seeing this movie makes you really hate every character in the hippie world because they just started coming in and annoying the fuck out of rich people.

[37:55] Jess McAnally: So it's like a kick streamer nowadays kind of.

[37:57] Andrew DeWolf: Wait, but Columbo does that and I like him.

[38:04] Jess McAnally: Uh, excuse me. But Columbo's Peter Falk. He's more charming.

[38:10] Andrew DeWolf: That's true. Columbo doesn't act like a fucking doofus.

[38:17] Jess McAnally: He's a charming man. He does, but yeah, he does it on purpose though. You could tell he's not really a doofus.

[38:23] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, um, that's got to be a one. I mean anything that gets Reagan elected. That is a one. All right, Jess.

[38:27] Jess McAnally: Yes, I should have turned it off protected myself.

[38:31] Andrew DeWolf: Oh.

[38:37] Jess McAnally: Hi, that's right. Yes, you caught my tricks.

[38:40] Andrew DeWolf: Mm-hmm. This was nothing like the Minions movie advertised.

[38:44] Jess McAnally: Do they watch hair in the Minions movie? I think I've never seen.

[38:49] Andrew DeWolf: Oh.

[38:51] Jess McAnally: That's like great trivia like thing and I didn't know. Okay. Oh my god, hold on. Hold on. Oh, do you have a clip of it?

[38:59] Andrew DeWolf: I might. I'm not a hundred percent sure 'cause they are speaking the Minions language.

[39:19] Jess McAnally: Oh.

[39:40] Andrew DeWolf: We are uncultured swine.

[39:45] Jess McAnally: There's a oh my fucking god, no.

[39:47] Andrew DeWolf: This made a billion dollars.

[39:51] Jess McAnally: They adapted every part of hair into the scene, this is a more accurate adaptation than the film.

[40:00] Andrew DeWolf: My mind is boggled. All right, so now that we've now that we have context and we've seen.

[40:07] Jess McAnally: Performant.

[40:10] Andrew DeWolf: That's Andrew. Andrew that was Andrew, yes, so now that we have context I think we can very clearly say that this is gonna be a one-star because the Minions it was a much better adaptation.

[40:22] Jess McAnally: That's correct.

[40:25] Andrew DeWolf: All right.

[40:27] Jess McAnally: Yes, yeah, I can only tie this right?

[40:28] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, you were tied currently.

[40:36] Jess McAnally: No, Andrew's up one so you can tie it in.

[40:40] Andrew DeWolf: I mean just can't I it just can't I but I still get to go again.

[40:46] Jess McAnally: That's true, which means so Andrew good fuck it up and then you tie.

[40:53] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I can't win but I can tie.

[40:58] Jess McAnally: All right, burger and Claude should have been endgame. But no Claude had to be a pussy and make burger die for him in war.

[41:03] Andrew DeWolf: It's very stupid. But yes, that's five because they want to imagine.

[41:07] Jess McAnally: Knowing the characters names in hair.

[41:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, exactly. I mean, he says his name's burger and then he strips and shows me his dick.

[41:16] Jess McAnally: That's why you remember his name because you...

[41:21] Andrew DeWolf: Why is that an accurate description of the fucking show?

[41:27] Jess McAnally: Like something I'd say on this fucking ride, but he says his name's burger and then he strips and shows me his cock.

[41:35] Andrew DeWolf: All right, Andrew last one you can win this I think the director was on drugs to five stars.

[41:44] Jess McAnally: I mean, that's one of the only good thing.

[41:48] Andrew DeWolf: Hippies a win. So we all won.

[41:53] Jess McAnally: That's true. Dude, peace make peace.

[41:57] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, make peace not competitions.

[42:05] Jess McAnally: Hmm. It is wild that most of these songs I know from this show about how capitalism is bad. It needs and are just I know from commercials like how many times have you heard Aquarius just played like on a commercial for like, you know dental hygiene or like the sunshine?

[42:16] Andrew DeWolf: Just on laundry.

[42:24] Jess McAnally: No, I mean you're not wrong like I know especially those two songs I really I like a new going into this.

[42:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, Aquarius right away because 40 old virgin. Um, I know we are talking about the songs yet, but man.

[42:37] Jess McAnally: They're just not for me. But speaking to a quick capitalist mid show.

[42:41] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[42:51] Jess McAnally: Let's make a bunch of money have a mid show. We never claimed to be anti-capitalist. We just can't claim to be anti-fascist.

[42:57] Andrew DeWolf: All right.

[43:02] Jess McAnally: Hey guys started interrupting a mill the show but we've got a show at you today shows brought to you by the extremely kind donations by our donors our flowered children over at patreon.

[43:10] Andrew DeWolf: Blessings on to you. Harry Krishna shanti shanti and all.

[43:16] Jess McAnally: And patrons where you can go if you want us like, you know, give us some of that sweet money.

[43:21] Andrew DeWolf: You know that we all love everyone loves money money makes the world go round.

[43:25] Jess McAnally: And I can't wait a cabaret. Look at you Broadway boy.

[43:27] Andrew DeWolf: I can't wait to stop, you know, being a hippie and start being a corporate executive so that I can make more money and make sure that none of my children or grandchildren will ever be able to buy a house.

[43:38] Jess McAnally: Yeah, do you remember that part of hair where the guy screams out? I just want to have a lot of money?

[43:44] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, that's us all the time.

[43:47] Jess McAnally: So, please donate to our patreon.

[43:50] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, we just want a lot of money.

[43:52] Jess McAnally: We do have like the full extended episodes over there. We got a lot of commentaries and a lot of cool stuff.

[43:56] Andrew DeWolf: We are revamping our patreon with the rebrand and we're gonna offer a lot more opportunities for you guys to collaborate and hang out with us and make it a more collaborative process so you should join us.

[44:06] Jess McAnally: Our current patrons are Danielle Renix, Just Stampede, you and Cassidy, Monica Thoreau, Brent Black, Daniel Stacy, Coup, Mary Lou, Show Catch, On Vanilla's, Ross Walker, Musical Hell, Emily Gracie, Kyle Summers, Jenny C, Scooting the Technicolor Dreamcoat.

[44:24] Andrew DeWolf: This sounds like a hair song. Nothing is certain except Beth in taxes.

[44:31] Jess McAnally: John Van Niles, again, there's me and Mitchell Young, Chai Tea Cup, Chris Marco, Key G, Marie, Anastasia, Trevi, Joseph, RJ, Julia, Herman, Tori on a Frazier, Sammy the adequate amount, Daily Blazers, Villainous, Miss Sophie, On Ali, the Omega Geek, Paige Pearson, Maddie Wargo, Lisa Erdman, Analyst Katova, Serotonin Black Dirt, Evan Ball, Zachary Therese and Rara Marassa, Mara Lisa, possessed washing machine, Necroton and Puffy Boy, Sidney Hickson and I'll be all, Billy Clifton, Gold Play to Kick Him or a Re Rd, Carball, the JRL Studios, Catherine Shock, Rossy Botelho, Alexandra Dom and Gwen Bowman.

[45:16] Andrew DeWolf: They all give us some financial support and help us over on patreon. Be sure to collect them all and I'd like to say for Andrew and I we do not condone that what just happened there.

[45:21] Jess McAnally: Why? I apologize.

[45:24] Andrew DeWolf: We're very sorry for hiring Lin-Manuel Miranda to write.

[45:28] Jess McAnally: Recording studio and read the write your name.

[45:32] Andrew DeWolf: Trying to do the Pokemon theme, Pocahontas gotta catch em all.

[45:40] Jess McAnally: Well, it's not like a Hamilton song.

[45:43] Andrew DeWolf: Do the patreon like.

[45:45] Jess McAnally: No, he's never coming back.

[45:45] Andrew DeWolf: Paul G Amati's gone forever because just literally actually channeled his soul.

[45:51] Jess McAnally: You can't figure out how he did it. You can't pull it off. He became Paul G Amati.

[45:56] Andrew DeWolf: Go listen to our Rock of Ages. I'm so good. It's a time.

[46:00] Jess McAnally: Can't promise it'll be good, but I can't promise it exists be of existing. Let's get back to the show.

[46:12] Jess McAnally: It is dawning of the age of Aquarius.

[46:29] Andrew DeWolf: I will never be that bad if it has a song that fucks this hard.

[46:35] Jess McAnally: Like, honestly, I think half the reason that this show has the staying power that it does is because of this song.

[46:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, you're not wrong.

[46:43] Jess McAnally: And I, this song rocks and it's an opening.

[46:46] Andrew DeWolf: But it also pisses me off because it makes me think of those Zodiac girlies and truly anyone that thinks that, oh, I can just be an asshole now because Mercury's in retrograde.

[46:54] Jess McAnally: Fucking whatever.

[46:55] Andrew DeWolf: Those people, Jess.

[46:56] Jess McAnally: Those were the hippies.

[46:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[46:59] Jess McAnally: That's, this is a show about the people you're describing.

[47:03] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but I don't like them.

[47:07] Jess McAnally: This show is kind of like a, it's kind of like a sandwich, you know, because you have a really good song and then a really good song and then there's a bunch of stuff in the middle.

[47:15] Andrew DeWolf: You know, it's like, it's like, boom, you know, also it's like eight, it's also like eight different types of turkey and you can't distinguish between the types of turkey at a certain point.

[47:24] Jess McAnally: Like, they all kind of taste the same.

[47:27] Andrew DeWolf: The implication is that in a sandwich, you only like the bread.

[47:31] Jess McAnally: Wait, I need to unpack that part.

[47:34] Andrew DeWolf: This is true.

[47:35] Jess McAnally: It's the best part.

[47:36] Andrew DeWolf: The bread is the best part.

[47:39] Jess McAnally: Yeah.

[47:40] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[47:41] Jess McAnally: You have to have a really good bread or you'll have a bad sandwich.

[47:44] Andrew DeWolf: You can put turkey between bricks if you want to and it's not going to taste any good.

[47:48] Jess McAnally: Yeah.

[47:49] Andrew DeWolf: The bread is the important part of the sandwich.

[47:51] Jess McAnally: Man, you're, you're blowing my fucking mind here.

[47:54] Andrew DeWolf: Truly.

[47:56] Jess McAnally: I'm not well because of this information.

[47:59] Andrew DeWolf: Aquarius is good, but almost immediately goes downhill.

[48:03] Jess McAnally: We go into these long, long fucking monologues and I don't like it.

[48:08] Andrew DeWolf: I'm going to be straight with you here, all right?

[48:10] Jess McAnally: No, don't.

[48:11] Andrew DeWolf: You gotta be gay.

[48:12] Jess McAnally: I don't remember the tune to any song except for the first song in the last song in this show.

[48:17] Andrew DeWolf: Same.

[48:18] Jess McAnally: You're wrong.

[48:19] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I know a couple of them, but also I don't know how much that is about me just being a general theater guy and they're big in the theater world versus because hair, I don't think if you can pick up hair was not the biggest musical for me in the world, you know, just kinda was just a thing that I knew about.

[48:35] Jess McAnally: Um, but like, why'd you gotta be sober nurse?

[48:38] Andrew DeWolf: Like maybe I only know that cause it opens Zodiac, but I did know that song.

[48:42] Jess McAnally: I think it's, I think, you know, cause it opens Zodiac.

[48:44] Andrew DeWolf: I think you answered your own question.

[48:46] Jess McAnally: Um, and then you, you know, all the, all the laundry list, like hair, long, beautiful hair, da da da da da.

[48:54] Andrew DeWolf: Or the one about sex acts.

[48:56] Jess McAnally: Sodomy fellatio.

[48:58] Andrew DeWolf: They didn't hang it.

[48:59] Jess McAnally: They did not have to include pederasty in there.

[49:48] Andrew DeWolf: Sodomy, fellatio, conalingus, pederasty.

[50:07] Jess McAnally: Father, why do these words sound so nasty?

[50:15] Andrew DeWolf: It's kind of weird that they did.

[50:18] Jess McAnally: You're not wrong.

[50:20] Andrew DeWolf: It means love between a man and a little boy.

[50:23] Jess McAnally: And I'm like, why is that included in the list of consensual sex acts?

[50:29] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know.

[50:34] Jess McAnally: We don't claim the hippies.

[50:36] Andrew DeWolf: We don't claim the hippies on this show.

[50:38] Jess McAnally: We don't associate with hippies.

[50:40] Andrew DeWolf: We associate with pirates, but that's about it.

[50:42] Jess McAnally: Pirates, I will associate with.

[50:44] Andrew DeWolf: Piracy is respectable.

[50:46] Jess McAnally: Pirates are sick, badass.

[50:48] Andrew DeWolf: The only bad thing they do is murder.

[50:50] Jess McAnally: Which, I mean, that's whatever.

[50:53] Andrew DeWolf: You can don pirate murder, but not any other murder.

[50:56] Jess McAnally: Jess, right now, typing up his, I was blindsided by that comment about pirates.

[51:03] Andrew DeWolf: I can't wait for the Notes app tweet.

[51:11] Jess McAnally: I was blindsided by what Andrew said about pirate murder.

[51:14] Andrew DeWolf: I need to cancel the podcast and rethink things.

[51:17] Jess McAnally: All creative plans we have in the future are cancelled.

[51:21] Andrew DeWolf: White boys are so groovy.

[51:24] Jess McAnally: White boys are so tough.

[51:28] Andrew DeWolf: Every time they're near me.

[51:32] Jess McAnally: Just can't get enough.

[51:35] Andrew DeWolf: White boys are so sexy.

[51:39] Jess McAnally: And lean, lean.

[51:42] Andrew DeWolf: Love goes straight on.

[51:45] Jess McAnally: I love the love machine.

[51:48] Andrew DeWolf: My brother calls them rubber.

[51:52] Jess McAnally: They're my common trouble.

[51:55] Andrew DeWolf: My daddy wants me, no, no, no.

[51:59] Jess McAnally: But I say white boys, go, go, go, go, go, white boys.

[52:04] Andrew DeWolf: White boys are so lovely.

[52:07] Jess McAnally: Beautiful as girls.

[52:10] Andrew DeWolf: Love to run my fingers.

[52:14] Jess McAnally: And poke through all their curls.

[52:17] Andrew DeWolf: I like white boys.

[52:19] Jess McAnally: I think that's a nice little song that makes me feel pretty good about how I look.

[52:22] Andrew DeWolf: That sentence out of context is just really funny.

[52:25] Jess McAnally: I like white boys, yeah.

[52:27] Andrew DeWolf: I like them as friends.

[52:31] Jess McAnally: You know, there's like, you know, Let the Sun Shine.

[52:35] Andrew DeWolf: That's a good song.

[52:37] Jess McAnally: Yeah, it was in 40-Year-Old Virgin.

[52:39] Andrew DeWolf: It was, so it was Aquarius.

[52:41] Jess McAnally: That's how it ends.

[52:42] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, instead of fucking, they do a dance number.

[52:45] Jess McAnally: Yeah, we all know how 40-Year-Old Virgin ends.

[52:47] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine.

[52:51] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine in.

[52:55] Andrew DeWolf: The sun's shining.

[53:00] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine.

[53:05] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine in.

[53:09] Andrew DeWolf: The sun's shining.

[53:13] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine.

[53:18] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine.

[53:22] Andrew DeWolf: The sun's shining.

[53:27] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine.

[53:32] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine in.

[53:36] Andrew DeWolf: The sun's shining.

[53:40] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine.

[53:45] Andrew DeWolf: Let the sun shine in.

[53:49] Andrew DeWolf: The sun's shining.

[53:54] Jess McAnally: I do want to say that most of these songs do just sound like Brady Bunch numbers.

[53:58] Andrew DeWolf: I can't say that they're anything great, but that's what they feel like.

[54:02] Jess McAnally: It amazes me that this became a hit album.

[54:06] Andrew DeWolf: These Brady Bunches are horny. Jesus Christ.

[54:10] Jess McAnally: What did it need, Jess?

[54:14] Andrew DeWolf: Fix hair. Fix it right now.

[54:18] Jess McAnally: The thing is it doesn't need fixing because it did its job as far as culture matters. I don't like it.

[54:26] Andrew DeWolf: It's the foundation of a lot of things and we're done with it. Honestly, I don't remember any of the songs besides the first one.

[54:38] Jess McAnally: You don't remember let the sun shine.

[54:42] Andrew DeWolf: And besides that one. That's the exception. I remember that one, but the rest are lost to me.

[54:46] Jess McAnally: You don't remember I ain't got no brr. I ain't got no brr.

[54:50] Andrew DeWolf: I ain't got no brr.

[54:54] Jess McAnally: You ain't got no what?

[54:58] Andrew DeWolf: I ain't got no brr. I ain't got no God.

[55:02] Jess McAnally: I don't know. I just remember that dude who had a crush on Mick Jagger and how he would wear a dress sometimes because he's gay and that's all I remember.

[55:10] Andrew DeWolf: I remember Donna. Once upon a time there was a 16 year old virgin. I'm like, all right, I'm checking out.

[55:18] Jess McAnally: You know, free love. Maybe not that free though.

[55:22] Andrew DeWolf: Let's calm down a little bit.

[55:26] Jess McAnally: Are we done with hair? We have made the hair episode.

[55:34] Andrew DeWolf: You know how I know that is because we stayed on topic as much as hair did.

[55:38] Jess McAnally: I think we had a good discussion about hair somewhere in this episode.

[55:46] Andrew DeWolf: I pictured it in such a way where you can tell this is the hair episode.

[55:50] Jess McAnally: It was mostly on topic until it wasn't.

[55:54] Andrew DeWolf: I like the part where we got naked in the middle there though. I hope I don't edit that out.

[55:58] Jess McAnally: What is our overall thoughts on hair and our cheese rating? Andrew first.

[56:02] Andrew DeWolf: Hair has two memorable songs and no plot and a shit ton of characters and it's just not that good. But you know what? I don't know if it matters. I feel like hair doesn't care if it's good.

[56:18] Jess McAnally: Hair just wanted to exist and it does.

[56:22] Andrew DeWolf: So here it is. Should you watch it? That's a good question. I don't fucking know.

[56:30] Jess McAnally: I can't answer that for you. It's hair.

[56:34] Andrew DeWolf: It's neither good or bad or anything.

[56:38] Jess McAnally: It exists. It's here. It wants to do something.

[56:42] Andrew DeWolf: Cheese rating?

[56:46] Andrew DeWolf: Oh man. I'm going to give it goat cheese.

[56:50] Jess McAnally: You know?

[56:54] Andrew DeWolf: It's just a different type of cheese. It doesn't even want to be real cheese.

[56:58] Jess McAnally: It wants to be goat cheese.

[57:02] Andrew DeWolf: No, not goat cheese. Vegan cheese. That's better.

[57:06] Jess McAnally: It's kind of not cheese, but it is cheese. It's sort of both.

[57:10] Andrew DeWolf: No, it's Liz's turn.

[57:14] Liz Esten: Hair is hair.

[57:18] Andrew DeWolf: I feel like it's the best review of hair. It's hair.

[57:22] Liz Esten: It's important. It's a landmark musical in a lot of ways.

[57:26] Andrew DeWolf: But it's also not that great.

[57:30] Liz Esten: But that's not a problem.

[57:34] Jess McAnally: Jess, skibbity means bad.

[57:38] Liz Esten: It does.

[57:42] Andrew DeWolf: I feel lied to and betrayed. I feel blindsided.

[57:46] Liz Esten: I was blindsided by Jess's comment.

[57:50] Andrew DeWolf: I was blindsided by Jess's misuse of skibbity.

[57:54] Liz Esten: Hair is bad, but not that bad.

[57:58] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think hair gives a shit about what my opinion is.

[58:02] Liz Esten: I think hair exists and did its thing, and it doesn't care if I didn't like it.

[58:06] Andrew DeWolf: I kind of respect that. The songs are fine.

[58:10] Liz Esten: The first one's really good, the last one's really good, and the rest exist.

[58:14] Andrew DeWolf: I think you should experience hair if you're really into Broadway history, but it's not a life-changing moment.

[58:18] Liz Esten: It's just a bunch of hippies vibing on acid for two hours.

[58:22] Andrew DeWolf: I think that's the big thing. Don't expect it to change your life.

[58:30] Jess McAnally: I feel like that's what a lot of people go into hair hoping.

[58:34] Liz Esten: I'm going to give it. I shared my screen.

[58:38] Liz Esten: Hippies, vegan, white cheddar chickpea puffs.

[58:42] Andrew DeWolf: There's minions on it.

[58:46] Liz Esten: I know. These are at my job. I look at them all the time.

[58:50] Andrew DeWolf: There's a conspiracy going on here.

[58:54] Liz Esten: Minions are all bald, though.

[58:58] Andrew DeWolf: I think they're the mega minions from the fourth one.

[59:02] Liz Esten: I don't know how many minions movies are there.

[59:06] Andrew DeWolf: It used to be about a supervillain!

[59:10] Liz Esten: There's currently six if you count both minions movies.

[59:14] Andrew DeWolf: I hate it!

[59:18] Liz Esten: Hippies, vegan, white cheddar chickpea puffs.

[59:22] Andrew DeWolf: I miss when it was just about a weird guy played by Steve Carell.

[59:26] Liz Esten: Steve Carell sang Age of Aquarius at the end of 40-Year-Old Virgin!

[59:30] Andrew DeWolf: It's a song.

[59:34] Liz Esten: A minion conspiracy.

[59:38] Andrew DeWolf: I enjoy the idea of hair more than I enjoy the idea of watching hair.

[59:42] Liz Esten: Movie's bad for different reasons.

[59:46] Andrew DeWolf: That's my review.

[59:50] Liz Esten: I am giving it Robert Gober's short-haired cheese at the Museum of Modern Art.

[59:54] Andrew DeWolf: Describe what you're looking at, please.

[59:58] Liz Esten: It's cheese and hair!

[1:00:02] Andrew DeWolf: It's so gross.

[1:00:06] Liz Esten: Look at it!

[1:00:10] Andrew DeWolf: Dad, get it off the screen!

[1:00:14] Liz Esten: This is a great review, though.

[1:00:18] Andrew DeWolf: It doesn't care what you think about it.

[1:00:22] Liz Esten: If this hair cheese was a person, it would punch me in the face and not give a crap.

[1:00:26] Andrew DeWolf: I think if this cheese hair was a person, it would play the shitty games that suck ass.

[1:00:30] Liz Esten: What, because it's not bald?

[1:00:34] Andrew DeWolf: Because it's only got a little hair.

[1:00:38] Jess McAnally: Thank you guys for listening to our episode on hair!

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[1:01:02] Andrew DeWolf: The show is edited by Andrew DeWolf.

[1:01:06] Jess McAnally: Thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for having us on the platform, and for not kicking us off for being blindsided by Andrew's words.

[1:01:10] Andrew DeWolf: Pirate murder is okay.

[1:01:14] Jess McAnally: What?

[1:01:18] Andrew DeWolf: You know, I'm kind of with Andrew. I think pirate murder is okay.

[1:01:22] Jess McAnally: Okay, fine. I guess I'm the only piracy fan here.

[1:01:26] Andrew DeWolf: Guess you win with your anti-piracy laws.

[1:01:30] Jess McAnally: That's what it's about, winning.

[1:01:34] Andrew DeWolf: What about winning?

[1:01:38] Jess McAnally: Alright, we'll see you next time on Musicals with Cheese!

[1:01:48] Andrew DeWolf: When the moon is in 7000.

[1:01:52] Andrew DeWolf: Jupiter aligns with Mars.

[1:01:56] Andrew DeWolf: Then peace will guide the planets.

[1:02:00] Andrew DeWolf: And love will steer the stars.

[1:02:04] Andrew DeWolf: This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

[1:02:08] Andrew DeWolf: The age of Aquarius.