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[0:00] Alan Seales: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to The Theatre Podcast. I am your host, Alan Seales, and we have a very special episode coming out of the vault for you. It's kind of, well, it's kind of a vault. It's an other vault. It's still my vault, but kind of not a Theatre Podcast vault. All right. Anyway, so back on January 14th, 2021, when I was still the global lead for the Talks at Google program, I had the absolute privilege of sitting down with Matthew McConaughey, and we talked about his book, Greenlights. And at the time, of course, it was his bestselling memoir. It's all about his journey behind putting 36 years of personal journals into a book, and he shares what it's like to pack up a truck with gallons of water, some beef, and Long Branch bourbon, heading off into an undisclosed desert location for 52 days just to face his past and figure out this story that he wrote down for all of us. So what follows is a warm and fascinating conversation about life, philosophy, perspective, navigating the red, yellow, and green lights we all encounter, as he likes to say. We dive into his unique upbringing with outlaw logic parents who refuse to ever ground him because they believe time was far too precious an asset, and how explaining a major award to his young kids turned into a brilliant lesson on delayed gratification. I mean, you know Matthew McConaughey. This guy just lives on his own ethereal plane that I wish I could live on half the time. It's a thoughtful and candid reflection on removing filters and truly embracing the ongoing chase. So you know what to do. Tell a friend, find me online, leave a comment, leave a rating, leave a review. And now, everybody, please enjoy this very special episode with Matthew McConaughey.

[1:49] Alan Seales: Hey, everybody. Welcome to Talks at Google. I'm Alan Seales, and I'm just going to cut right to the chase here. Our guest today is an Academy Award-winning actor, philanthropist, professor, director, so much more. He's recently added author to his long list of accomplishments as he is here today to talk about his new book, Greenlights, which is a New York Times bestseller. I'm just going to bring him right in. Matthew McConaughey, welcome to Talks at Google.

[2:20] Matthew McConaughey: Hey, dude. How are we doing, Alan?

[2:22] Alan Seales: We're doing really well. We were talking right before we started. We're like, don't know where we are. It doesn't matter where we are. I'm awaiting the snowstorm here in Brooklyn. So you look like you're about to avoid it. I don't know where you are.

[2:35] Matthew McConaughey: I think I'm maybe on the opposite side of the equator where I am right now. No snow in the forecast over here.

[2:42] Alan Seales: Well, obviously, Greenlights, talking about the weather there immediately reminded me of where you wrote the book, Greenlights. You went out for 52 days in the middle of the desert, this undisclosed desert. I guess it's your secret spot. We don't want to give that away. And just wrote this book. But why, I guess, was this sort of like a midlife crisis? Why 50? Why not 60? Why not 70? Like, why now?

[3:12] Matthew McConaughey: Midlife crisis. I got to go write a book. Who am I? What have I done? No, I can't really say it was like a midlife crisis, but there's got to be more than coincidence for why I decided to finally go write it coming up around my 50th year on Earth. I mean, I've been threatening to go write a book for the last 15 years. I've been keeping these journals for 36 years. The treasure chest with where all these journals go in has been filling up and it's starting to overflow. And I take it with me wherever I go and set it next to my proverbial desk. And it barks at me and says, when are you going to open us up and see what's in here? And finally, about two and a half years ago, I had a ghostwriter on first because I didn't have the courage to say, I want to go write it. And he got pulled from the project because the company he worked for wouldn't allow him to work with someone in my position, a celebrity to write a book. And just as it was coming out of my mouth and I was talking to my wife about, hey, I think I'm going to go look for another ghostwriter. When I said that out loud, her and I both knew it was like, no, this is a gift. I've got to go away and write it. So with a little kick in the backside from my wife, Camilla, who said, get out of here with that treasure chest of journals and don't come back until you got something. And some beef and some Long Branch bourbon and about 20 gallons of water and headed to the desert.

[4:41] Alan Seales: So I actually think very case in point, the ghostwriter went away. This became your first green light in the long string of what was the green lights that make this book. So I know you've been asked this a million times, but for those who don't know the book, who don't know what a green light is, explain it in your own words.

[4:59] Matthew McConaughey: Yeah. Well, for instance, the ghostwriter gets pulled off. That was a green light. Looked like a red light. Oh, no, my writer's gone. What am I going to do? The opportunity was, well, I need to go write it. That turned out to be a major green light. So what is a green light? Green lights are things in our life that, well, they say go proceed, they affirm our way more, please. Boy, way to go, girl. Yes, freedom. We like those because they do all those things. Yellow and red lights are the things in our life that make us take pause, slow us down, make us get introspective for a moment. Sometimes there are a hardship, a crisis, death, bad health. We don't like those. But I do believe that in the rearview mirror of life, we find out that we needed them or they at least had some intrinsic value, which I'm calling a green light asset within them, a lesson we were there to learn that we may notice while we're in that yellow or red light. We may notice it tomorrow, next week, next month or on our deathbed. Or maybe we don't even notice the green light from our red and yellow lights in this life. Maybe our great grandkids find out what that is two generations from now. You can engineer green lights. I found this that I've created that I actually created and engineered green lights in my life, meaning set myself up for more of what I wanted in the future with more ease because of decisions I made on the day. So you can engineer them by certain responsibilities we take. Then sometimes they fall in your lap and you don't know where they came from, like the one where the ghost rider got pulled. That fell in my lap. Oh, that was a gift. This would not have been the book. I would not have had the experience if I would have written with someone else. It only would have been the book it is if I wrote it myself. That was an inherent green light. And also the other cool thing that I'm starting to crystallize this idea in this book tour is the art is the approach to the yellow light because that's the choice. Do you slow down and let that yellow turn into a red? Because you know what? I need to take pause. I need to actually stop a minute. Or do you look at that yellow light and say, that little crisis ain't going to get my credit. I'm pressing on the gas and blowing through this baby and turning it immediately into a green light because I'm not even going to give it credit.

[7:28] Alan Seales: That to me sounds, I guess, pulling in more of who you are and more of what I know from you, which obviously is somewhat filtered and through the public eye, right? You seem like you're always on this quest. And I've actually listened to the book twice. And it's great for those watching right now. I highly recommend the audio book because you narrate it and you act out all the characters in it. It's amazing. But the quest, you're on a quest. It seems like you personally, Matthew, are always on a quest to become a better person, to sort of transcend. Like you just said, this life or next or whatnot. So that implies to me that you believe in multiple lifetimes. You're always on this quest to be a better spiritual being, whatever spirituality means to you. And you go out to the desert, you play bongos naked. It's just whatever you want to do, you try it. And there's sort of a philosophical teacher aspect to all of this, right? People read this book now, especially in COVID times when we're just around here and red lights left and right because of what's happening in the world. Do you realize sort of the impact that this book is having in a time when we sort of didn't realize we may have needed it the most because this is an instruction manual for how to turn these red lights or into green lights or how to approach these yellow lights and make them green lights?

[9:03] Matthew McConaughey: Yeah. I mean, look, I'm starting to realize it a little bit as humbly as I can. I do believe there is a science to satisfaction. I don't have it figured out yet, but I've found some things in the equation that seem to consistently add up and not just for me, for each one of us and even collectively, there are ways to approach things. I start off the book with my first sort of tool equation is when faced with the inevitable, get relative. Well, we can unpack that a thousand different ways, but let's look at this time right now we're in COVID. It's inevitable. We've been in it for eight, nine months, and now it looks like we have an out as the vaccine's coming in, but man, it's been an inevitable disruption in our lives. And I've been guilty of it. A lot of us have been guilty of it, of just putting our head down, going, what? WTF, man, what's going on? I'm losing this or people losing their job or even loved ones. The people are at least inconvenienced heavily throughout. We've had to change rituals, structure of lives. Things have been thrown upside down. It doesn't make sense. Damn it. Well, you can only say that for so long. So you get relative with the inevitable by going, all right, this is real. I write in the book at the end about, once you know it's black, it's not near as dark. One part of creating or at least seeing the green light assets out of the red light room right now is admitting that it's a real doozy, man. And a lot of people I've seen don't really, I've not even, or I've had trouble admitting that or they think it's over tomorrow. And then they think it's over the next day. And they've been thinking that for eight months and they're absolutely wasted, exhausted now, eight months later, because every night they had, they went to bed with the hope that thinking that tomorrow it's over. So they were kind of in denial that it was real and it was around. So I've just put some, some tools down there. So maybe I call it approaches that have helped me. I've also put stories in there where I had the wrong equation and I found consistent ways that it made me less happy in life or created, set me up for more failure in life. So I'll point those out at equal amendment through the book. And what's cool is that I'm noticing that.

[11:28] Matthew McConaughey: My hope after I wrote the book that people are relating to it personally. They're subjectively looking at my stories and going, oh, I can subjectively, the reader, take that instance from McConaughey's story into my life and I actually have a similar parable. I have a similar experience in my life. I approached it this way and it worked for me. Or, ooh, next time I'm in that position like that, that McConaughey just brought up, I'm going to approach it like this. And so, I'm finding that it is kind of constructive and that people are at this time going, thank you. That's what I needed. And that feels great because any piece of art, what does an artist want? I want it to translate. You know what I mean? I want someone to be able to see, oh, I'm seeing myself in these stories. I'm seeing humanity in these stories. And the cool thing is when I was writing it, I found and I felt it in about day 30, the more personal I got, the more relatable it seemed to become.

[12:25] Alan Seales: Yes. Yes. Yes. That, in my experience too, I mean, being vulnerable and exposing, living your truth, living in the moment, right? That's what we all strive to be. And I think at a young age, when we all of a sudden realize that we are mortal, I've got two small kids right now, six and four and a half, and my older one says, I'm scared. He told me the other day, he said, I'm scared that when the sun is going to swallow the earth, that I'm going to feel it. And so they're just now starting to realize all this stuff. And when we are consciously constructing these defenses to fight our mortality and to fight our impending, as you say, as when the director calls cut, right? You got one action and one cut, right? And then we're living the screenplay of life in the middle. You want to be the best version of yourself that you can be. And what I applaud you for, and what comes out in the movie, I mean, not the movie, I'm sure they'll make a movie of your life. What comes out in the book is that you have never seemed to be afraid of taking risks and taking challenges and having challenges face you. And maybe, I mean, speak to that. Did that come from your parents or is that just something that, you know, nature versus nurture here?

[13:47] Matthew McConaughey: I think of it, I mean, it's a combination. I mean, parents really instilled resilience, which probably led to being able to shake off failure quicker and hop back up and try again, or not dwell on a loss or dwell on a failure or being unsuccessful at something and an attempt and to hop back up and try it again. So some of my, sometimes I've been risky just by sheer persistence and endurance, taking risks because, gee, you keep knocking on the door, you're back again, I told you no, come back again tomorrow. OK, yes. And maybe you could call that a risk by sheer frequency of times I've tried. You know, I've I would still say if I was going to go back and talk to my 14-year-old self, what advice would I want to give? I'd say take more risk or risk, man, because usually, you know, and we start to fear it. There's different levels where we fear risk. You know, you have the early stages of life where like the child doesn't is not is not afraid of heights until they fall out of the tree. You know, so you can I pull things off out of sheer ignorance, you know, because I didn't know how high in the tree I was. Right. And I didn't look now, you know, where now I look up and now I'm in more context. I can be objective. The situation measured. I'm like, look, I wouldn't do that again. Sure. Glad I didn't know, you know. And then as you get older, you know, things you build things you have, you know, I have whatever form of wealth I have. I have my family. There's things I want to protect. There's certain risk I'm not going to take today because I'm not if they have any chance of hurting or cracking the bubble of wealth that I have in my life, family, I think I'm not going to be foolish. I'm not going to throw out everything and say, I'll put all this up at risk of losing it. No, I'm not going to do that. But I think I here's it. Here's what it is. I think what will keep me up at night, what will wake me up at night is the regret of not knowing who if I could have, if maybe I could have pulled it off. And I like to know, meaning it's the limbo sucks. It's the limbo we're all in right now. It sucks. Give me a let me let me know. And if I pull it off, I can look in the mirror and go, there we go. If I fail, I can look in the mirror and go, I know who failed. I don't like the black hole, that blind spot of going, well, I don't know why or I don't know. I wonder if I could have pulled it off. I'll never know now that I don't like. So maybe that's where the risk taking comes from.

[16:32] Alan Seales: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back after this break. Welcome back to the episode. I want to to surmise here that some of this came from your father and you talk about this a lot in the book, your relationship with him. And then he basically didn't teach you and your brothers to do to not do wrong. He told you not to get caught. So it was basically take a chance, do what you want to do, but be smart about it.

[17:01] Matthew McConaughey: Well, you bet that was it. You better, you know, yeah, pull it off, learn how to pull it off if you're going to pull it off. Yeah, right. So I don't know what I don't know what my favorite story is, because there's so much risk that you've taken and you talk about your failures and turning them into the green lights and then just taking risks and they immediately work. And, you know, I put myself in in your shoes and like Revive was I think you were 14 when you were stealing lumber from the lumber yard to build your own tree house. And you've never been back there since like stealing lumber. To me, my my relationship with my parents was like the law is the law. You don't steal. You just don't do anything. Whereas, you know, you're not not that there's anything right or wrong with this, but, you know, you're like, just don't get caught. Build your build your tree house because you're going to have trouble for stealing the lumber. Right. But yeah, it was still a credo underneath of like the story in there when I stole the pizza, you know, and then gotten got gotten in big trouble for lying about it. Not for stealing pizza, but for lying four times to my dad about it in front of his face and tip out there to all kids and let your kids know this, too, where if you ever come home at night and your parents are up when actually they usually be asleep and they're on the phone and they say, OK, I got this from here, Mr. So-and-so. And they say the last name of the guy or the girl that you went out and stole the pizza with that night. And then their next question is, so you went out and had pizza. Did you pay for it? That means they know you didn't pay for it. Don't lie like I did. I was I tried to weasel for time, but it was I didn't get in trouble. My dad's heart wasn't broken because I stole a pizza. I stole a pizza. I broke his heart that night because I bid to him four times in a row to his face. So, yeah, it was a lot about getting caught or don't get caught. And it was about a lot of that's about hustle. And I mean, both senses of the word. I mean, I'll hustle somebody as an endurance and giddy up. And also, you better be a salesman. You better be a salesman and hustle and hustle things, not pick anyone's pocket. But let's hustle this situation. Let's go. What have we got? The speech tree. So that was inherently kind of put in us, probably.

[19:16] Alan Seales: That's interesting because inherently you're sort of being taught to look for the green lights, you know, look for the hustle, look for how you can take advantage of the situation. But in all your stories and everything that I read, nothing, no one's ever taken advantage of no one's ever hurt. So like you're stealing lumber, you're not hurting people. You're stealing a pizza, whatever, but you're not like stealing money from someone and putting them out in a place where they can't recover from that.

[19:41] Matthew McConaughey: It's it. Look, I hear you. It's a. You know, that goes back to the relativity, my parents were outlaw logicians, if that's such if that's a word, it was outlaw logic, meaning. Boy, they you know, they they you could wink on a white lie, you could be white. I mean, and they were also relative, you know, so you could wink on the fib. It's why I say and they're like, you know, the difference between liars and bullshitters. You know what I mean? The bullshitter kind of lets you know he's bullshit. You can go along with it. Liar doesn't let you know. Weird. I come from a family of good bullshitters. You know, the white lies. Yeah, it's a better story that way. You know, so, you know, and it was an us against the world sort of thing, although we didn't look at life as a competition with the world or like the world was against us. If anything, we looked, we saw the opposite. No, the world's actually the go out thing. The world's for you. The world is on your side. Go out and be on its side, but take go quarterback and go run. But it's working with you. The world time we always told you this time is on your side. It's not against you. It's why we couldn't get grounded. You know, that's why we've had getting grounded because they were like, if we ground you, we'd be taking your time and time is your most valuable asset. We're not going to do that to you.

[21:07] Alan Seales: OK. How do you how do you translate this to now to now being a father? You have your own children. And I know that you and Camilla are very, very made a very strong decision to not sort of hide the celebrity status and make sure that they know. Yeah, just know sort of who you are. And and that is that's a bigger statement than just Matthew Conahay daddy is a celebrity. It's who you are as a person, I want to say. Right. It's what you value, what you believe in, what other people think of you and how how are you taking. I feel like the book is a bit of a catharsis for yourself that can clarify things, but then how are you taking what you learn from writing the book and translating that to being a father?

[22:11] Matthew McConaughey: Yeah. Well. I mean, look, the the best father can be is the is on my mind daily. That's the sort of position that I've always since eight years old, most revered the possibilities within being a good parent. The only thing I ever knew I wanted to be was a dad. You're now a dad. Your first child's born. I bet you the first six months after your first child was born, you mean that a father is like so wonderfully masculine at that time, meaning the head and the heart are on a clear path. Any instinct you have out there, fathers, after you're first born in the first six months after they're born, triple down on them. I mean, they bet the house on it. And then we also become immortal as parents, you know, literally biologically immortal. We become immortal. I mean, I'm learning. I've got 12, 10 and seven.

[22:56] Matthew McConaughey: The values that my parents instilled in me. But I go about it in different ways. Yeah, I do. My family was corporal punishment, bam, get it over with, no grudges go. And what do we get in trouble for? Lying, saying, I hate you and saying I can't, you know, you can get you made, you get your mouth washed out so for saying the F bomb or shit or something like that. But you got in real trouble if you said the word hate or C-A-N-T. Now they were values instilled and why that was such a serious misdemeanor in our family to say those things. So what are the antonyms of those things? Love, don't hate. You can have trouble doing something, but don't believe you can't. And you know, tell the truth, don't lie or be a bullshitter, but not a liar. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm writing it. Obviously, you know, as a, as a father, as most parents do, what's the first thing I notice? Oh, it's more DNA than I thought. Well, I really used to think it was like 90, 10, you know, nurture and like negatory. I flipped that buddy. So, you know, they come out who they are. We, my children are born into an affluent position, more fluent than, than I was born into. And so that's a constant challenge with Camilla and I that we want them to embrace what we got because we feel like we've earned what we've gotten in the life we have. We, we, we, we're good people. We got a good work ethic. We've gone and done good work that has given us a great house and property and food on the table that we don't have to go, oh, if I don't work today, I'm not going to eat tomorrow. So we're in a very affluent position that way. I want our, we want our children to respect that, to not rely on that, but actually never to do falsely modest. If someone, someone at school went to my son, oh, I bet your dad, I bet y'all live in a big house because your dad's rich and famous. And the, the, the child, my, my, my son, I think didn't know how to respond to that. Um, and we talked about it and the, the kid said to me again, like the next day and, uh, my son said, yeah, that, yeah, we actually do have a really nice big house. My dad works really hard and is good at what he does and that affords us to get that house. So we don't want them to think we're better than anyone else. Don't get your, our, my, my respect or integrity doesn't come from being rich and famous. We're trying to say, Hey, those things happened because of who I am or who Camilla is and who we are as people. I, it delayed gratification. One of the great things we want to teach our kids. And even a lot of us adults still need to know me included or understand it. When I won the Oscar for best actor, they gave me the trophy. My kids said, what's the trophy for? And, and I, you know, sometimes the kids ask the question you have that you go, Oh, this is a good teaching moment. I went, well, you remember a year ago when we were working in New Orleans and pop, I had the thin neck. You said he looked like a giraffe. Right. They went, yeah, yeah, yeah. I go, well, the work I was doing every day. Then when you would wake up in the morning and pop, I would already be gone to work. Then come home at night, the work I did, then my peers decided to give me a trophy for a year later because they thought my work was excellent. And I saw my three kids click, wait a minute, you can do something today. If you do it well, you can get rewarded tomorrow. Like, yes, yes, you can. And that was a really cool thing that, you know, it's, it's who we are. And a lot of Greenlights, a lot of the book is about that. What are the decisions we make today that are being cool and kind to our future selves. And there we, again, we can engineer those sometimes through how we go about life. Well, speaking of, of the future and cool and kind, I have one more question for you and then we'll, and this'll, this'll be the last one, let you go. But in my opinion, you are a successful actor. You've been successful in your career because you're not really acting. You're more, you are more being in the moment. You are living your truth in that moment. And so at first in your, in your younger, your younger career, it was rom-coms because that was, that was you in real life more or less. And then you took a break, didn't know what you're doing, got into the more dramatic stuff, the serious stuff. And it's funny because looking back at your career progression, it's sort of represents to me the same evolution and maturity that the average person would have as they're growing older. And of course, dealing with their own lives and whatnot. So now you are, you know, you're 51 now and you've got this book, added something else new. You took a risk and it's paying off. You've written this great book that everybody needs to go get. What do we, what can we see from next of you? What's, what's future Matthew going to give us? Great question. And one I'm asking myself and I've been, you know, the last couple of years I really started to, and it's part of why I went and wrote the, part of why I wrote the book. You know, I'm trying to get rid of the, I've always been trying to get rid of the filters and the gaps between what we intend to do, what we're actually doing, how it's being received. There's always gaps in between those things. And I'm trying to get rid of those gaps. Now, acting, I'm doing, when I'm acting in a film or a movie or a series, I'm doing somebody else's script, directed by someone else, lensed in a camera by someone else and edited by someone else. There's four filters from my raw expression. The book is one filter. It's the written word. This direct, this is, this is closer to filterless. All right. This is, and I'm trying to go, what is filterless? Well, the real filterless, if I'm going to put myself on the line is, well, who am I going to be? And what am I going to do in this big show called life where it's live? It's happening right now. The recorder's on. It's always on. As you said earlier, there's action called one time, the day you're born and cuts called one time, the day you die. So I'm saying to myself, boy, I don't, I don't know how interested I am right now about going and doing something where I have those four filters and putting it in a capsule, grabbing it and putting it, exhibiting it in the theater or on your TV screen. Well, wait a minute. What's the, live the documentary. You know, what's the documentary that we're each living right now? The story we're writing, what is it live? I don't need a camera following me, but what is it? It's one long take and I've got 51 years and 51 years into the take, quit going over and doing these little one offs, you know, and I'll still do that. I still want to go act in that way, but I'm asking myself who I want to be as a, and I want to step into some. I really like a certain, certain leadership roles. Culture's a big, a big thing. Values are a big thing for me. I've been approached about politics lately. I don't know if that's the right category to do those things. I also am a believer that we're not going to make a collective change until each one of us individually look in the mirror and say, how can I be a little bit better today or a little more true today? And if enough of us do that, we do make collective change. I'm also chasing down this, chasing yet. That's what we're all doing as individuals, as counties, as states, as countries, as people. If we can get rid of this idea that there's ever a ta-da moment, that if we can get rid of this idea that there is a result, that we will get to the top of the mountain. No, we won't. We're never going to get there. There's never going to be perfect equality. And that's the point though. If we can keep chasing it and getting a little bit closer, that's as good as it gets. And if we just get that click to go, oh, I mean, it's the game never ends. The whistle's not being blown until I'm out of here for me. And after that, the game still goes on and it's gone on a long time before I got here. There's no ta-da moment. We don't ever find the utopia. We can chase it. That's the point. We can chase it individually. We can chase it as a people, as nations, but we don't get there. And if we can understand that, hey, that's what we can actually get off to, that, oh, I get it. I never actually am going to finish. There's no destination. And that, in the way you and I were talking about death earlier, that can be something that you smile and feel from the inside and go, oh, that's really cool. There's really no destination. But a lot of people in that subject go, oh my God. Well, no, no, no. Especially since it's the one thing we can rely on. You never land there. So since it's inevitable that it's going to happen, we are going to die or there is no perfect utopia or we're never going to have that moment where we go, ta-da, I've got it. Because every time we think we have those moments, which is fun, we know it's fleeting because here it goes, something happens, either we implode it or the world does, and we're back off track trying to get back on frequency again. So chasing yet and also breaking down the contradictions that we have between things like responsibility and freedom, that we have between being selfish and selfless, that we have between things we want and things we need, between technology and the value of the human individual. We see those as contradictions a lot, and I don't think they are. They can be, but it's up to us. And we can see those as a paradox where there is a choice that we can make daily that is personal and selfish, that actually is the most selfless choice and vice versa. The most selfless choice can be the most selfish choice. We can find that place where what we want is actually what we need. Ooh, isn't that great? I would call that heaven on earth. You know what I mean? Everything you wanted was actually what you needed and everything you needed was actually what you wanted. Whoa. Again, the gap's closed. The filter's gone. I'm so excited to see where you go next because now that you've achieved this level of removing the filter and writing what you want to write, and again, the audiobook for everybody watching, everybody listening, I highly recommend the audiobook because hearing you speak your own words, it's just, again, no filter. You're acting it out. It's brilliant. Please, everybody, just get the audiobook. It's so good. If you don't read the book, it's amazing. But I know you're short on time. Thank you so much for being here. This has been such a pleasure, and I can't wait to see what we see from you next.

[34:09] Matthew McConaughey: Well, I appreciate it, and it was great talking to you, man.

[34:14] Alan Seales: All right. I look forward to it.

[34:16] Matthew McConaughey: All right. Thank you.

[34:18] Alan Seales: All right. Later.