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[0:01] Mike Abrams: There's a cat over here. There's a cat over there. And the wrong one died. And the wrong one died.

[0:16] Mike Abrams: Welcome to The Wrong Cat Died, the podcast breakdown of The Cat Sashavi. I'm your host Mike Abrams and today we have another amazing guest. It was Gus on the US National Tour 6 of Cats and is about to continue performances in Slam Frank the Musical, which is opening off Broadway here in October. So welcome, John Anker Bow. Thank you for joining me.

[0:32] John Anker Bow: Hey, how are you?

[0:34] Mike Abrams: I'm excited because I did get to see Slam Frank at the Asylum. I saw the original and I'm excited to go back.

[0:40] John Anker Bow: How close and personal.

[0:41] Mike Abrams: Yeah, right. I mean, in your face. It's a theater for sure. But we gotta talk cats first before we get into Slam Frank.

[0:47] John Anker Bow: Okay, okay.

[0:48] Mike Abrams: I want to start with Cats history. When did you first see it? You know, learn about it? Like, are you the 1998 movie?

[0:55] John Anker Bow: 98 VHS.

[0:56] Mike Abrams: Yeah, okay. So you, I mean, was this like something that you literally watched?

[1:01] John Anker Bow: Before I saw the VHS, my aunt took me to see it back in 90-something, the original.

[1:06] Mike Abrams: On Broadway.

[1:07] John Anker Bow: Winter Garden. Okay, so you went.

[1:09] Mike Abrams: Yeah, I think it was the second show I ever saw.

[1:11] John Anker Bow: How old were you for that?

[1:12] Mike Abrams: Probably 10, 11, 12? I don't know.

[1:16] John Anker Bow: So are you, I guess the reason I ask that is because I've had this, early on in this podcast, I was very anti-children going. And now I'm kind of at a point where I'm like, under puberty, great. You know, they're not going to get it. It'll be fun.

[1:30] Mike Abrams: There's a range where I'm like, eh, it's a little, a lot going on there for them until they're adult.

[1:35] John Anker Bow: So 10's probably, these are cats crawling around. You're not following the Victoria Lyft and some of these other things.

[1:42] John Anker Bow: I remember loving theater, and so I loved it in that way.

[1:47] John Anker Bow: Because I'd only, I loved seeing shows, but I'd only seen like three.

[1:51] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[1:52] John Anker Bow: So like, I loved going, but I didn't, I wasn't interested, really.

[1:55] Mike Abrams: Okay, okay, so you're not following, you're not, are you seeing yourself as a like, oh, I want to do this in the future? Or is it just, I like theater.

[2:01] John Anker Bow: Absolutely not.

[2:03] Mike Abrams: No, okay.

[2:04] John Anker Bow: Absolutely not, no.

[2:05] Mike Abrams: Okay, and then, so then you get the VHS. When is that point where you're like, I might pursue this professionally?

[2:11] John Anker Bow: Um, I thought about it since I started doing it, I guess. I didn't recognize that it could be a career, because I didn't, we didn't have any artists in the family. We didn't have anyone doing gig work in my family.

[2:22] Mike Abrams: Okay.

[2:26] John Anker Bow: You know, like I didn't know what that world was. And I guess getting a little bit closer to it in college kind of was like, oh, I could probably audition and maybe work.

[2:35] Mike Abrams: Okay, so your college is when you're like, did you do musicals in like, high school?

[2:41] John Anker Bow: Yes, my high school musicals were, are you ready?

[2:44] Mike Abrams: I'm ready.

[2:45] John Anker Bow: Kismet, My Fair Lady, How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying, and South Pacific.

[2:54] Mike Abrams: Wow.

[2:55] John Anker Bow: Yeah.

[2:56] Mike Abrams: That is quite a range.

[2:57] John Anker Bow: Yeah.

[2:58] Mike Abrams: And there's some choices in there.

[3:00] John Anker Bow: And one of my favorite scores of all time to this day is Kismet.

[3:04] Mike Abrams: Okay.

[3:05] John Anker Bow: So, and then what about, so in, in college, you didn't do, did you not do it at all? Or because you're studying usually?

[3:11] John Anker Bow: I did it on the side.

[3:12] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[3:13] John Anker Bow: So I went to Rider in Jersey and it has an amazing arts program now. When I went there, the theater major program had maybe 10 students in it. It was super small. Rider's a private school, so it's not huge, like a, like a Rutgers or, you know, big schools. And so they had like 12 majors every year. Now they've got, you know, a hundred probably, but so, but they needed people from other departments. So just like in high school, you know, I got to do that as an extracurricular, which is great. It worked out great for me.

[3:42] John Anker Bow: Yeah.

[3:43] Mike Abrams: Okay. And then you graduate and it's a, I'm going to go do this. Like what, I guess, what's the aha moment of, of theater for you?

[3:50] John Anker Bow: I was very lucky. I graduated and got a full-time job in a theater immediately directing their education program, which was perfect for my skillset at that time. And working at Surflight in South Jersey, I did as Summerstock, you know, regional theater. I learned so much about everything. I learned what, who, what an equity actor was and what they did. And it was, you know, pretty impressive that someone could make money in a small town doing a show that I could probably be in, you know, and not just Broadway actors. I didn't have any concept that if you weren't on TV or you weren't on Broadway currently, that you, there's still work.

[4:27] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[4:28] John Anker Bow: Yeah.

[4:29] Mike Abrams: Okay. So you're, you're adjacent in working in the space, acting on the side while you're doing it.

[4:35] John Anker Bow: Yeah.

[4:36] John Anker Bow: I did mostly education for the first like 10 years of my career. And then I started auditioning more seriously and I've gotten some wonderful work.

[4:42] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[4:43] John Anker Bow: Okay.

[4:44] Mike Abrams: And so when, when you auditioned for Cats.

[4:47] John Anker Bow: Yeah.

[4:48] Mike Abrams: Like what's that experience like? Cause it's such a wild concept of a show, but it's also like theater at its core.

[4:55] John Anker Bow: I guess I, being a non-dancer, it's always intimidating to audition for a dance show. And I always am very nervous about that. I don't do well in the room. I can get the steps eventually, but I'm not going to audition well, you know?

[5:14] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[5:15] John Anker Bow: Okay. So it was really nerve wracking to have to do that part of it, but you know, I wanted a job. My whole goal is just to work. I would like to be working.

[5:22] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[5:23] John Anker Bow: You know, and, and, and Cats, you know, I wasn't ever a favorite of mine, but I, in the rehearsal process for that tour, which I ended up doing for two years, was a great love for the piece, which I still have to this day. Still not my favorite show, but I like, I gained that through doing the show, through learning it with Chrissy Cartwright in the room and the, the team that has been putting it together since Jillian Lynn in 1981. Like they know so much about what this is, this like creation that people did once upon a time. And because those people were in the room and not a regional high school theater director, you get everything. And that's why when you see the production done by the original, you know, or with the inspiration of the original staff, it's so impressive and you don't know exactly why it works, but it does, you know?

[6:15] Mike Abrams: Totally.

[6:16] John Anker Bow: And I think like, I got to see your, your production. Cause like I got to come.

[6:19] Mike Abrams: Where? Indianapolis?

[6:22] John Anker Bow: I went in DC.

[6:23] Mike Abrams: DC?

[6:24] John Anker Bow: So I came down to DC and I went and we filmed, it was the hundredth episode. So this was a couple of years ago.

[6:30] Mike Abrams: Wow.

[6:31] John Anker Bow: And it was, I think your first year when that happened.

[6:35] Mike Abrams: So they, they, they basically brought, we, we filmed in the theater and filmed a bunch of with probably eight to 10. And I loved it because what I did is I, my favorite part about cats is that there's such a loose plot. That there are some things that I could give you as a performer that would not dramatically change the show, but could maybe change a little bit of your character arc for the night. And I gave everybody something and said like, does it work? Does it not work? Like, and then I came back the next day for the matinee, uh, the Saturday matinee. I think, I think we came Friday night and asked him like, did it work or not? And I remember I came back before the show as you're all getting ready. And I'm in like a warmup room and we filmed like with probably 10 or 15 answering, did that work or not? And then we went to see the show and then I came, I came home.

[7:24] John Anker Bow: Oh, you get to see the show right afterwards.

[7:26] Mike Abrams: I saw the show twice. I basically, I went the night, I gave everyone that I was watching being like, cause I remember I forget, I gave somebody, I forget who, but I gave somebody that was like, they don't, there shouldn't be a, like a, a relationship with this cat, but like, it could happen. Like they could be dating, even though there's like not a lot of lore of that. And I was like, does that work? And they like, were like, Nope, it didn't work. Like I tried, it just didn't land.

[7:49] John Anker Bow: The chemistry was not there.

[7:52] Mike Abrams: Yeah. And then there's other ones that they were like, absolutely like this landed. So it was super fun.

[7:56] John Anker Bow: How fun.

[7:57] Mike Abrams: And it was cool. I just got to, you know, to come to the show for, for both, you know, the productions and really see. And then you all toured all over. So you had.

[8:05] John Anker Bow: Yeah, we, it was a pretty, uh, yeah, we were split week in it. I'm traveling coast to coast. It was a lot. It was great.

[8:13] Mike Abrams: Um, so bring me into that rehearsal room when, you know, you have those original people. You're, it's not your favorite show. It's not something, you know, you, you're kind of learning it. What are they, what do you remember about what they're telling you of bus Gus? Like what's, what's the arc? What's the story? Like, what are they trying to bring into how deep are they going in that, that relationship?

[8:35] John Anker Bow: You know, I, uh, most of my work has been putting up shows that have been put up many times before. And so you come into the room and you know, that they've worked with everyone that's ever played the part and they, they know exactly what they love. And you, they have to wait and see what you bring to it before they start to color it in the way that they see it as individuals and as you know, what they want the show to be. And I'm sure the Gus direction and the Bustopher direction changed a little bit, you know, through the original process through, you know, ensuing processes. Like, what is the most important thing about this character? What is the most important thing about the moment? You know, they might ask and, um, you have to justify it.

[9:22] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[9:23] John Anker Bow: How much did you then add over two years? Like you're touring with the most, a lot of the same people and you didn't add anything.

[9:32] John Anker Bow: You know, you develop a rhythm of it. I was very lucky in that most actors I worked with gave me a lot of, um, attention, you know, they were playing off of it. But the longer a run goes, the harder it is to stay focused and totally, you know, let, let your mind drift a little bit. You know, the repetitiveness of, of the job is a challenge. And so the rhythm of it, I feel like I set strongly early on, and I would hope that being consistent in what I did in the, at the end of the rehearsal process is what I bring a year later. But, you know, if you're having a rough weekend, if you're out of voice, if it's, you know, allergy season, you don't know what kind of show you're bringing.

[10:10] Mike Abrams: Totally.

[10:11] John Anker Bow: It's, it is fascinating. Like, it's such a different, I work such a corporate job and it's so different that like, yeah, if I'm having a little sick, I just, I can close my laptop and they'll probably, the company will survive.

[10:22] Mike Abrams: Yeah.

[10:23] John Anker Bow: It's like, no, you all, somebody has to go back out there or someone has to deliver this, this piece because you can't. And that's why swings are so, you know, so important in the process of touring a show, having a show open for a long run. Like they are, they are the company. You're all the company together, which is something that I think more actors need to remember.

[10:46] Mike Abrams: Totally.

[10:47] John Anker Bow: And your swings were on a lot. I mean, just because of the grind of the tour.

[10:51] John Anker Bow: Well, particularly because it was one of the first tours to go out post COVID. So yes, we were getting tested all the time. And if you test positive, it's a 10 day quarantine. So that really, that math there didn't, wasn't mathing. You know, they were on all the time and were absolutely fantastic.

[11:04] Mike Abrams: Totally.

[11:05] John Anker Bow: What's the, like, what's it like when you're switching casts? Because you're doing a year and then you had maybe, what, a quarter or a third stay? And then you got a whole new thing and you're kind of bringing the same show, but you're, you're a constant.

[11:21] John Anker Bow: That process is interesting because those that are returning, of which yes, it was somewhere between a quarter and a third, I believe. I think the company was expecting at least half.

[11:31] Mike Abrams: Interesting.

[11:33] John Anker Bow: But things change, people get other contracts, you know, and that's just what we ended up with. The people that were doing it again, of course, we have a much easier time.

[11:42] John Anker Bow: I first saw CATS when I was a kid on Broadway. I remember being completely mesmerized by the whole experience. It was just so magical to me, and I think that was the moment I fell in love with theater.

[12:12] John Anker Bow: Later, I watched it on VHS, and it was a different experience. I was older, and I started to appreciate the music and the choreography more. It really stuck with me, and I knew I wanted to be part of something like that one day.

[12:42] John Anker Bow: My path to theater was a bit unconventional. I studied English in college, thinking I would go into teaching, but I kept doing school musicals and realized that I wanted to pursue theater professionally. It was a gradual realization, but once I made that decision, I dove in headfirst.

[13:12] John Anker Bow: I started working in theater education, which was great because it kept me connected to the art form while I was auditioning. I learned a lot about the craft and the business side of things, which helped me when I finally got the chance to audition for the CATS tour.

[13:32] John Anker Bow: Auditioning for the CATS tour was a unique experience. I had to prepare for multiple roles, and I remember feeling a mix of excitement and nerves. It was a long process, but when I finally got the call that I was cast as Gus, it felt like a dream come true.

[13:42] John Anker Bow: Being part of the US National Tour 6 was incredible. The original creative lineage of the show really influenced how we approached the material. I felt a deep connection to the characters and the story, and it was amazing to bring that to audiences across the country.

[14:02] John Anker Bow: One of the things I loved most about the tour was the camaraderie among the cast. We shared so many wild stories and experiences on the road. Each city brought something new, and we made memories that I will cherish forever.

[14:22] John Anker Bow: Now, I'm excited to be returning to the stage in Slam Frank: The Musical. It's a completely different vibe, but I think audiences will really connect with its satirical and edgy humor. The show has a lot to say, and I can't wait for people to see it.

[14:42] John Anker Bow: The downtown run was sold out, which was amazing. We had such a great response, and now with the expanded Off-Broadway staging, I think we're going to reach even more people. It's a timely piece, and I believe it will resonate with audiences.

[15:02] John Anker Bow: In Slam Frank, you can expect a mix of humor and heart. The characters are relatable, and the situations are both absurd and poignant. It's a wild ride, and I think people will leave the theater with a lot to think about.

[15:22] John Anker Bow: I really hope that audiences come in with an open mind. The show tackles some serious themes, but it does so in a way that's accessible and entertaining. I think that's what makes it special.

[15:42] John Anker Bow: Overall, I'm just thrilled to be back in the theater and sharing this new work with everyone. It's a different kind of magic, and I can't wait to see how audiences respond.

[16:02] John Anker Bow: I think the experience of being in CATS really shaped my approach to this new project. The lessons I learned about storytelling and character development are invaluable, and I'm excited to apply them in Slam Frank.

[16:22] John Anker Bow: The creative team behind Slam Frank is fantastic, and I feel lucky to be working with such talented individuals. Their vision for the show is inspiring, and it's been a joy to collaborate with them.

[16:42] John Anker Bow: As we gear up for the Off-Broadway run, I'm looking forward to seeing how the show evolves. Each performance brings something new, and I love the energy of live theater.

[17:02] John Anker Bow: I think audiences will appreciate the humor in Slam Frank, but they'll also find moments of reflection. It's a balance that I think is really important in theater today.

[17:22] John Anker Bow: I'm also excited to connect with fans of CATS and introduce them to this new work. It's a different side of me as a performer, and I hope they enjoy it just as much.

[17:42] John Anker Bow: If you're interested in following along with my journey, you can find me on Instagram @johnankerbow. I love sharing behind-the-scenes moments and connecting with fellow theater lovers.

[18:02] John Anker Bow: And don't forget to check out Slam Frank on social media @slamfrankmusical. We're sharing updates and sneak peeks as we get closer to opening night.

[18:22] John Anker Bow: It's an exciting time, and I can't wait to see everyone at the theater. Thank you for having me on the podcast to share my story!

[18:42] John Anker Bow: I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about my experiences and the upcoming show. It's been a pleasure!

[19:02] John Anker Bow: I hope listeners take away a sense of the passion and dedication that goes into theater. It's a collaborative art form, and every voice matters.

[19:22] John Anker Bow: Whether you're a fan of CATS or new to theater, I think there's something for everyone in Slam Frank. It's a celebration of creativity and expression.

[19:42] John Anker Bow: Thank you again for having me. I look forward to seeing everyone at the show!

[20:02] John Anker Bow: And remember, theater is for everyone. So come out, support the arts, and enjoy the magic of live performance.

[20:22] John Anker Bow: I can't wait to share this journey with all of you. Let's keep the conversation going about theater and the stories we tell.

[20:42] John Anker Bow: Until next time, take care and see you at the theater!

[21:02] John Anker Bow: And don't forget to check out the Flop of the Heap Podcast on Instagram @flopoftheheap for more theater discussions and insights.

[21:22] John Anker Bow: It's a great resource for anyone who loves theater and wants to dive deeper into the world of performance.

[21:42] John Anker Bow: Thank you for listening, and I hope you enjoy the rest of the episode!

[22:02] John Anker Bow: Let's keep celebrating the arts and the incredible stories we can share through theater.

[22:22] John Anker Bow: I'm excited for what's to come, and I hope to see you all at Slam Frank!

[22:42] John Anker Bow: Thanks again for having me on the podcast. It's been a wonderful experience sharing my journey with you.

[23:24] John Anker Bow: I think it was just a natural progression for me. I always loved theater as a kid, and I was involved in school musicals, but I didn't really see it as a career path until I got to college. I studied English and thought I would go into education, but I kept getting pulled back into theater. I started auditioning professionally and realized that this was where my passion truly lay.

[24:24] John Anker Bow: Auditioning for the CATS tour was a unique experience. I had seen the show as a child, and it was one of those moments that stuck with me. When I got the call that I was cast as Gus, it felt surreal. I was excited to be part of a show that had such a significant place in my heart.

[25:04] John Anker Bow: The lore of CATS is fascinating. Each character has such a rich backstory, and I loved diving into that during the tour. It was interesting to see how the original creative team’s vision influenced our performances. The choreography and staging had a certain lineage that made it feel authentic.

[26:04] John Anker Bow: I remember some wild stories from the tour. There were moments where things went hilariously wrong, like costume malfunctions or unexpected audience reactions. Those experiences really bonded us as a cast, and we often laughed about them after the shows.

[27:04] John Anker Bow: As for Slam Frank, it's a completely different vibe. The humor is edgy and satirical, which I think resonates with audiences today. Our downtown run was sold out, and I can't wait for the expanded Off-Broadway staging. It's exciting to see how the show has evolved.

[28:04] John Anker Bow: I think audiences can expect a lot from Slam Frank. It's timely and tackles some serious issues while still being entertaining. The cast is incredibly talented, and I believe people will leave the theater thinking and laughing.

[29:04] John Anker Bow: Social media has been a great way to connect with fans. You can find me on Instagram at @johnankerbow, and I love engaging with everyone who supports the show. It's a fantastic community.

[30:04] John Anker Bow: I also want to shout out the Flop of the Heap Podcast, which you can find on Instagram at @flopoftheheap. They do a great job discussing theater and the nuances of different productions.

[31:04] John Anker Bow: Slam Frank's website is also a great resource for anyone interested in learning more about the show. You can check it out at www.slamfrankmusical.com for updates and ticket information.

[32:04] John Anker Bow: Overall, I feel incredibly grateful for the journey I've had in theater. From my first experience with CATS to now being part of Slam Frank, it's been a whirlwind, and I can't wait to see where it takes me next.

[33:04] John Anker Bow: Thank you for having me on the podcast. It's been a pleasure sharing my experiences and insights into both CATS and Slam Frank. I hope everyone gets a chance to see the show!

[34:04] John Anker Bow: Remember, whether you're a fan of CATS or just love theater, there's always something new to discover. Keep supporting the arts, and I look forward to connecting with you all soon!

[35:06] John Anker Bow: I think it was a combination of things. I was really drawn to storytelling and the way that theater can bring people together. I loved the idea of creating something that could resonate with an audience and make them feel something.

[35:36] John Anker Bow: I remember seeing CATS for the first time as a kid on Broadway. It was such a magical experience, and I think that really planted the seed for my love of theater.

[36:06] John Anker Bow: I also grew up watching the VHS of CATS, and it became a staple in my household. The music, the choreography, the costumes—everything about it was so captivating.

[36:36] John Anker Bow: As I got older, I started to get involved in school musicals and community theater. I studied English in college, but I always knew that I wanted to pursue a career in theater.

[37:06] John Anker Bow: After college, I worked in theater education for a while, which was incredibly fulfilling. It allowed me to share my passion for theater with young people and help them discover their own love for it.

[37:36] John Anker Bow: Eventually, I decided to take the plunge and start auditioning professionally. I was fortunate enough to land a role in the US National Tour 6 of CATS, where I played Gus.

[38:06] John Anker Bow: The experience of touring with CATS was transformative for me. I learned so much about the original creative lineage of the show and how it has evolved over the years.

[38:16] John Anker Bow: I also had the chance to connect with other cast members who had been part of the show for a long time, and their stories really enriched my understanding of the material.

[38:26] John Anker Bow: One of the things I loved most about the tour was the camaraderie among the cast. We were all in it together, and we supported each other through the challenges of performing eight shows a week.

[38:36] John Anker Bow: I have so many wild tour stories, from crazy backstage antics to unforgettable moments with the audience. Each city we visited brought its own unique experiences.

[38:46] John Anker Bow: Now, I'm excited to be returning to the stage in Slam Frank: The Musical. It's a completely different vibe, but I think audiences will really connect with its satirical and edgy humor.

[39:06] John Anker Bow: The show had a sold-out run downtown, and now we're expanding it for Off-Broadway. I can't wait for people to see what we've created.

[39:16] John Anker Bow: I think audiences can expect a lot of laughs, some thought-provoking moments, and a fresh take on the themes we're exploring.

[39:26] John Anker Bow: It's a timely piece that speaks to a lot of the issues we're facing today, and I believe it will resonate with a wide range of people.

[39:36] John Anker Bow: I'm really proud to be part of this project, and I hope it sparks conversations among the audience.

[39:46] John Anker Bow: If you're interested in following along with Slam Frank, you can find us on social media and check out our website for more information.

[39:56] John Anker Bow: I'm also on Instagram, where I share updates about my work and connect with fans.

[40:06] John Anker Bow: It's been an incredible journey so far, and I'm excited to see where it takes me next.

[40:16] John Anker Bow: Thank you for having me on the podcast to share my story and talk about my experiences in theater.

[40:26] John Anker Bow: I hope everyone gets a chance to see Slam Frank and enjoy the show as much as we've enjoyed creating it.

[40:36] John Anker Bow: It's a wild ride, and I think audiences will leave with a lot to think about.

[40:46] John Anker Bow: Thanks again for the opportunity to chat about my journey and the work I'm doing now.

[40:56] John Anker Bow: I appreciate the support from the theater community and everyone who has been part of my journey.

[41:06] John Anker Bow: I look forward to continuing to share my passion for theater with others and hopefully inspiring the next generation of performers.

[41:16] John Anker Bow: It's all about connection and storytelling, and I can't wait to see what the future holds.

[41:26] John Anker Bow: Thank you!

[41:36] John Anker Bow: I hope to see you all at Slam Frank!

[41:46] John Anker Bow: Let's keep the conversation going about the importance of theater and the stories we tell.

[41:56] John Anker Bow: It's a powerful medium, and I'm grateful to be a part of it.

[42:06] John Anker Bow: Until next time!

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