This transcript was automatically generated and might contain errors.

[0:01] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Hi, I'm Wilson Jermaine Heredia.

[0:03] Jai Rodriguez: I'm Jai Rodriguez. And you're listening to Around the Sun.

[0:09] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: This is Season 3, Episode 2, Cold Snap.

[0:23] Jai Rodriguez: Unexpected Squall. Clouds perspective on the road.

[0:28] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: First frost cracks the earth.

[0:34] Jai Rodriguez: Welcome back to Mountain Mornings with Kate and Kate. I'm Kate.

[0:38] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And I'm Kate.

[0:39] Jai Rodriguez: It certainly is a winter wonderland out there. Drive safely, everyone.

[0:44] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Andrew and Kyle drive slowly up a mountainside. Kyle puts the wipers on.

[0:49] Jai Rodriguez: I can't believe Phoebe had to die.

[0:54] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Well, believe it. We're almost there. And watch for the icy patches. They're all over this mountain.

[0:59] Jai Rodriguez: We're in a truck.

[1:00] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: It doesn't matter. The road behind us was slick enough.

[1:03] Jai Rodriguez: I know this is difficult for you, Drew. There's a lot going on. And I'm sure a lot of unresolved feelings about Phoebe.

[1:11] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: No, like, I actually can't believe you're driving me up here. Right now.

[1:15] Jai Rodriguez: In the middle of a snowstorm, no less.

[1:17] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: How would it be different if you were home alone?

[1:20] Jai Rodriguez: I don't want to be home alone. I want to be going to Miami with you.

[1:26] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I canceled your ticket.

[1:27] Jai Rodriguez: So? Cancel the cancel.

[1:29] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I can't do that.

[1:30] Jai Rodriguez: Why not?

[1:31] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: That's not how life works.

[1:33] Jai Rodriguez: You surprised me with this trip, didn't you?

[1:36] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Right. At first, you didn't want to go. And then you did want to go. Now you genuinely can't go.

[1:43] Jai Rodriguez: What would I tell Randeep?

[1:45] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Who's Randeep now?

[1:46] Jai Rodriguez: The travel agent.

[1:48] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: From spin class?

[1:49] Jai Rodriguez: He sends his condolences.

[1:51] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Thanks, Randeep.

[1:52] Jai Rodriguez: And he said not to worry, because there would be plenty of fun things for me to do in Miami, by myself.

[1:56] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And since when does Randeep know anything about you? Is he your future ex-husband or something?

[2:02] Jai Rodriguez: Well, wait for it. Randeep's family is from Miami. See how that works? No need for paranoia.

[2:09] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Okay, so why can't he just refund your part of the trip, the same as mine, so you could stay on the mountain with me?

[2:15] Jai Rodriguez: The decedent is your relative.

[2:18] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: But you're my husband.

[2:19] Jai Rodriguez: You need to calm down, okay?

[2:20] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Look, I need to be with you, Kai. In Miami.

[2:24] Jai Rodriguez: He would have exchanged both trips if he could have. Trust me.

[2:27] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Why should I? You don't talk to me.

[2:30] Jai Rodriguez: I know it sucks, but it's over now. It's done. Turn the page. Move on.

[2:36] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I really wanted to bring our family full circle.

[2:39] Jai Rodriguez: In the new year, we can start fresh.

[2:41] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I really thought having a family of our own would finally legitimize things for Bibi.

[2:46] Jai Rodriguez: Why does Bibi's approval matter?

[2:48] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: We were right there, at the finish, and then gone. Now, Bibi's dead, to boot.

[2:56] Jai Rodriguez: And that, of course, was Carol the Fur.

[2:59] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Carol the what thing?

[3:01] Jai Rodriguez: Jack Frost got your tongue.

[3:02] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Actually, Kai, my words froze in midair.

[3:07] Jai Rodriguez: It's funny, isn't it?

[3:09] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: What?

[3:10] Jai Rodriguez: Well, you were about to get paid for great time to cope with Bibi's loss, and there we were, just a few months ago, prepping ourselves to welcome an infant.

[3:18] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Assembling the crib. Rearranging our lives, and for what? Just to have it all snatched away.

[3:26] Jai Rodriguez: What's funny about that?

[3:27] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Not funny. Ha ha. Funny ironic.

[3:31] Jai Rodriguez: I'd rather have 10,000 spoons.

[3:33] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Gio says we can't control the now. We can only live in it.

[3:37] Jai Rodriguez: Well, Gio has a man bun.

[3:39] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: In the new year, we can start fresh.

[3:41] Jai Rodriguez: And Gio's never been a dad.

[3:42] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Neither have we.

[3:44] Jai Rodriguez: I wouldn't solicit any advice from random Gio.

[3:46] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: He's my clinical supervisor. He's been very understanding at work.

[3:50] Jai Rodriguez: He's the one who encouraged the spontaneous trip to Miami.

[3:54] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Meanwhile, I have to work out of that would-be nursery all day.

[3:57] Jai Rodriguez: If you don't like something, change it.

[4:00] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I did. I painted the walls back to gray. I donated the diapers.

[4:05] Jai Rodriguez: But the sadness is still stuck in there.

[4:09] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Well, maybe working from home isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[4:13] Jai Rodriguez: Maybe you need to get out more.

[4:16] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: As if nothing ever happened.

[4:18] Jai Rodriguez: As if we're living in a great big lie for the last few months.

[4:23] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Accept and detach, Drew. Talk to your family while you're up here.

[4:27] Jai Rodriguez: Talk to my family? What? Why would I do that?

[4:30] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: They've never experienced anything like this.

[4:32] Jai Rodriguez: They're all just a bunch of happy accidents.

[4:35] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Well, that should tell you something.

[4:37] Jai Rodriguez: Maybe family development can't be tamed.

[4:39] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: How can you say that after all the time and energy we've invested in this process?

[4:44] Jai Rodriguez: Gio says too much planning invites disappointment.

[4:47] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Well, good for Gio.

[4:48] Jai Rodriguez: Besides, the agency told us that nothing would be finalized until after the birth.

[4:53] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: All she did was break the agreement.

[4:55] Jai Rodriguez: So what were we supposed to have done? Just stayed neutral?

[4:58] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Closed our hearts off to her unborn child?

[5:01] Jai Rodriguez: Accept and detach.

[5:04] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: We're not getting any younger.

[5:05] Jai Rodriguez: I know.

[5:06] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And now you're leaving me with these primates?

[5:09] Jai Rodriguez: Your family.

[5:10] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Whatever you want to call them.

[5:11] Jai Rodriguez: In the new year, it'll all be a blip on the radar.

[5:14] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Meanwhile, you'll be prancing around South Beach with $30 margaritas in the twunks and trunks.

[5:20] Jai Rodriguez: Talk to Joycey.

[5:21] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: She left hearing about your family development process last Christmas.

[5:24] Jai Rodriguez: Joycey's like 12.

[5:27] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: There's no depth she wouldn't understand.

[5:30] Jai Rodriguez: So what do you want me to do?

[5:32] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Beat the cost?

[5:33] Jai Rodriguez: A trip to Miami during Christmas week?

[5:35] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: You know that's an easy grant.

[5:37] Jai Rodriguez: I'm not telling you what to do.

[5:38] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: There's no baby on the horizon anymore.

[5:40] Jai Rodriguez: So you can make decisions for yourself again.

[5:42] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Just as if we were single.

[5:44] Jai Rodriguez: But maybe that's what you want.

[5:46] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Wow!

[5:47] Jai Rodriguez: I told you to watch out for the icy patches!

[5:50] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Sorry.

[5:51] Jai Rodriguez: They sneak up on you.

[5:52] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I said I was sorry.

[5:54] Jai Rodriguez: Why did we get this stupid truck?

[5:56] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Gio was getting rid of it.

[5:57] Jai Rodriguez: He wanted us to have it.

[5:58] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: It was a friendly gesture.

[6:00] Jai Rodriguez: Right.

[6:00] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And if Gio jumped off the London Bridge, would you jump too?

[6:05] Jai Rodriguez: Baby loved this mountain.

[6:08] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Whatever.

[6:10] Jai Rodriguez: Baby and Spike.

[6:11] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Oh God.

[6:12] Jai Rodriguez: Spike.

[6:14] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: What's he gonna do now?

[6:16] Jai Rodriguez: They're like those people who thrive at the tundra. What do they call them again?

[6:19] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I know what you mean, Kai. But I wouldn't attribute much to Spike.

[6:22] Jai Rodriguez: Spike thrives on free rent.

[6:24] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Or at least he used to.

[6:26] Jai Rodriguez: Nothing lasts forever.

[6:29] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: The mountain's all developed now.

[6:31] Jai Rodriguez: The ski lifts.

[6:32] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: The skating rink.

[6:33] Jai Rodriguez: It's not like when you first brought me up here.

[6:37] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Nothing is.

[6:38] Jai Rodriguez: We were younger then.

[6:40] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: We didn't know any better.

[6:43] Jai Rodriguez: It's a shame that baby had to die.

[6:46] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: No kidding.

[6:48] Jai Rodriguez: I would have liked to have had this Miami trip with you.

[6:52] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Why?

[6:54] Jai Rodriguez: You don't talk to me.

[6:56] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Maybe we could have learned to swim again.

[6:59] Jai Rodriguez: Aren't you still swimming at the Y?

[7:02] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Yes.

[7:04] Jai Rodriguez: Did Geo take my spot?

[7:06] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: If you have something to say, just say it.

[7:09] Jai Rodriguez: Well, it starts with the catfish. It ends with BB.

[7:12] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: But you put this wedge between us.

[7:15] Jai Rodriguez: I don't need to be vilified for texting with my supervisor.

[7:19] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Whatever.

[7:20] Jai Rodriguez: It's my loss too.

[7:21] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And Geo was helping me process.

[7:24] Jai Rodriguez: I saw those messages.

[7:26] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: It's my loss too.

[7:29] Jai Rodriguez: How would you choose a different type of partner in the future?

[7:32] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: What the hell is that?

[7:33] Jai Rodriguez: It's dialectical.

[7:35] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: What gave Geo the idea that you wanted a new partner?

[7:38] Jai Rodriguez: We talk about anything that might interfere with a therapeutic alliance.

[7:42] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Do you want a family, Kai?

[7:44] Jai Rodriguez: I'm driving you up this mountain, aren't I?

[7:47] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: That's not an answer.

[7:48] Jai Rodriguez: I'm driving you up this mountain, then I'm driving myself back down.

[7:51] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Four hours. Round trip.

[7:53] Jai Rodriguez: But do you want a family with me?

[7:56] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Then I'm driving myself straight to long-term parking at the airport so I can hop on a flight for my solo trip to Miami, which was supposed to be our trip, which I booked as a present for you.

[8:08] Jai Rodriguez: A present or an apology?

[8:10] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: I did nothing wrong.

[8:12] Jai Rodriguez: You're taking a single text out of context.

[8:14] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Give me your phone so I can see in context.

[8:18] Jai Rodriguez: Geo says your perception is your reality. We create our own happiness.

[8:22] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: My perception is 2020.

[8:24] Jai Rodriguez: In fact, I can see the bear trap that this guy's laying out for you from the moon.

[8:29] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And you're stepping right into it with a great big snap.

[8:35] Jai Rodriguez: What is wrong with you?

[8:37] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: You!

[8:38] Jai Rodriguez: You are what's wrong with me.

[8:39] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: God, I'm so glad this is my last trip up here.

[8:42] Jai Rodriguez: I can't believe I ever wanted to have a family with you.

[8:45] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: You suck.

[8:46] Jai Rodriguez: You double suck.

[8:47] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And I won't miss you when I'm in Miami.

[8:49] Jai Rodriguez: Well, you suck times infinity.

[8:52] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Stop talking.

[8:53] Jai Rodriguez: But once in your life, just shut up and stop talking.

[9:05] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Would you like me to tell your clinical supervisor that you're indisposed?

[9:09] Jai Rodriguez: He's trying to help.

[9:12] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: He said he'd give me a ride to the airport after I dropped you off.

[9:16] Jai Rodriguez: Oh, but what about long-term parking?

[9:21] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: You forgot about that already?

[9:23] Jai Rodriguez: Just keep your eyes in front.

[9:27] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: They're called cionophiles now.

[9:30] Jai Rodriguez: What is?

[9:31] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: That's what they call people who thrive in tundra.

[9:34] Jai Rodriguez: Cionophiles.

[9:36] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Great.

[9:37] Jai Rodriguez: It's really a classification for animals, though, for describing a species that has learned how to capitalize on the harsh realities around them.

[9:44] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Right.

[9:46] Jai Rodriguez: Like penguins.

[9:48] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Wrong.

[9:49] Jai Rodriguez: Like Svengali wolves with man buns.

[9:53] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Will Andrew and Kyle survive the elements?

[9:55] Jai Rodriguez: Will they make it to BB Sendoff intact?

[9:57] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: And was Kyle stepping out?

[9:59] Jai Rodriguez: Find out next time on another very beautiful episode of Around the Sun.

[10:02] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: Around the Sun is written and directed by Brad Forenza.

[10:04] Jai Rodriguez: For full credits and more content, please visit AroundTheSunPodcast.com.

[10:08] Wilson Jermaine Heredia: If you enjoyed this episode, please like, share, and subscribe today.

[10:12] Jai Rodriguez: This episode also featured Dan and Lauren Chapman as DJs Tate and Kate.